Salvete! — And a question.

Hello there everyone :slight_smile:. Just posting to say Hi for the first time. I’m just beginning the study of Latin (using Wheelock’s 6e, revised, but I also plan on getting M&F sometime in the future), and I have a question on classical Latin pronunciation. Especially in reference to one of the audio examples on the Wheelock’s Latin site in the alphabet. How exactly do you pronounce Ÿ Graeca? I haven’t been able to understand the tone exactly (and it has been driving me up the wall a bit). Another example was provided with the pronunciation of the word “Dionÿsius” – which was still a bit unclear. I thought about What the word y graeca meant, greek u, and listened to it again. It sort of seems like a gutteral/back-of-the-throat/maybe nasal oo sound, with a hint of a y at the beginning. Any help on this? (I might be wrong to be fidgeting so much over a pronunciation like this – being that Latin is ancient and we supposedly might not know how it’s all pronounced, or so I’ve heard, but anyway.)

AHEM Aside from that long question, some personal info. I’m a nineteen year old guy who lives on the Eastern seaboard of the US. :slight_smile: I’m interested in languages (just for the heck of it, for one – I love how words roll on the tongue), and also because I like to see ideas that classical authors had to offer. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Ancients, I believe. Most probably a heap more than 90% of the books and print media out there today. One thing I need to do to encourage the interest though, is not spend as much time playing text games on the 'net and wasting time on black holes like Youtube, etc. (:oops:) But that’s all in a day’s work.


If anyone’s interested, I’d be delighted to chat it up with anyone on the forum some time through IM or other means. (What else does a guy my age have to do? Besides school and such, though I took a break off this semester.)

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as to your question, see this quote from Wikipedia’s article on latin prunciation: y was used in Greek loanwords with upsilon (ϒυ /y/). Latin originally had no close front rounded vowel, and speakers tended to pronounce such loanwords as /u/ (in archaic Latin) or /i/ (in classical and late Latin) if they were unable to produce [y]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_pronunciation#Vowels

A learned Roman should be able, however, to pronounce every sound in Attic Greek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_front_rounded_vowel Here is a sound sample and a description. I haven’t checked it out, but I’m sure it’s fine.

Hehe. I listened to both the close front rounded and unrounded vowel sounds. They were both very distinct. In actual usage though, they can seem somewhat similar. When I think about it, it’s the difference between a straight long Ä« sound and the sound/word “euh” that the French use in place of “Um.”

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jeff