Question of Ecclesiastical Latin

Dear all,

I am translating this paragraph:

Deus, qui omnium Beatorum Martyrum tuorum, in regione Indosinensi peremptorum fidem mirabili constantia roborasti, concede propitius; ut Ecclesia Tua, eorum precibus adjuta, novos ubique terrarum triumphos celebrare mereatur. Per Dominum

Athough I already had its Vietnamese translation as below , it seems very strangle in Syntax and Wording that I can not analyze by simply using the William Whitaker Dictionary:

Oh God! Please let us be able to follow the bright belief of Vietnamese Martyr Saints, and be firm to serve God, so that when before God, we live loyally until death. On account of Christ - son of God - our God

If this text belongs to Ecclesiastical genre, how could I approach the grammar/syntax and its special dictionary online

Here is the link of original text: https://thanhlemisa.wordpress.com/author/thanhlemisa/\

Sincerely your,

Huynh Trong Khanh

Greetings,

The English translation that you quoted is very different from the Latin text. Perhaps the Vietnamese text is more of a summary or paraphrase than a translation - the meaning is similar, but does not match word for word or even sentence for sentence. (Or perhaps it comes from a different Latin text entirely.) The meaning of the Latin is as follows:

“O God, you who have with wondrous fortitude strengthened the faith of all your Blessed Martyrs who were put to death in the region of Vietnam, kindly grant that Your Church, aided by their prayers, may be found worthy to celebrate new triumphs in all parts of the world. On account of the Lord.”

It’s true that the text is Ecclesiastical, but the syntax and vocabulary are not different from Classical Latin. Any standard dictionary should work.

I hope that helps,

D

Damoetas,

Thanks so much, the key made me feel difficult when facing it is the use of QUI - cause I always guessed that it must be 3rd Person - so I could not see the link between it with the verbs - that were 2nd person

Sincerely yours,

Huynh Trong Khanh

The relative pronoun qui can stand for any person, singular or plural. Of course it must be in the right number, gender, and case.

I’m no Latinist, but I’m very well acquainted with the Roman liturgy, and would like to pass comment on the conclusion “Per Dominum.” This isn’t complete in itself but merely a cue to the priest indicating which of the three standard conclusions of the collect (which is the type of prayer you have by the looks of it) that he should use. “Per Dominum” is the first and most used one. I quote from my own breviary -

Si oratio dirigitur ad Patrem:
Per Dominum > nostrum Iesum Christum, Filium tuum, qui tecum vivit et regnat in unitate Spiritus Sancti, Deus, per omnia saecula saeculorum.

Si dirigitur ad Patrem, sed in fine ipsius fit mentio Filii> :
Qui tecum > vivit et regnat in unitate Spiritus Sancti, Deus, per omnia saecula saeculorum.

Si dirigitur ad Filium:
Qui vivis > et regnas cum Deo Patre in unitate Spiritus Sancti, Deus, per omnia saecula saeculorum.

Et respondetur:
Amen.

I mention this because if you are looking to make a full translation, you must also translate the portion assumed according to the abbreviated form “Per Dominum”.

Thanks, @ÓBuadhaigh, that’s very interesting!

Well, a little bit of background sometimes helps. :slight_smile:

Thanks so much, brothers