Looking for Help Revewing Pharr's Homeric Greek, English to Greek Exercises

Greek Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
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I’ll look at the XVIII later today, but as to the augment of ἅζομαι, I think this is a case where Pharr has omitted the augment, just as Homer does. You’ll notice that in the Greek-English exercise sentence 2, he uses the form ἅζοντο. Homer omits the augment regularly in indicative forms of the verb. In Attic, the only forms I can find are all present tense.

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Thanks Aetos! Sounds like we will be moving forward with the project, then! For now, I’ve learned all of the vocabulary and material through lesson 27 and reviewed using Anki, so I’m going to start learning the rest of the grammatical points I haven’t picked up (irregular adjectives, pronoun declension, conjugation of “to be” and the -mi verbs, numbers, comparatives and superlatives) while doing these next few lessons. Since I’ve completed 13-18 and we’ve put them up here, that leaves 19-52 to go! Luckily, as mentioned before, I think I’ve got a good enough grasp on over half of the grammar necessary, so a bit of diligence should push me through.

As far as the holidays go, don’t worry too much about answering promptly if I finish up lessons for the next few weeks if time doesn’t allow. Family is important!

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Hi Euchnemide,

Here’s what I found:

  1. Ἀπόλλωονα -Ἁπόλλωνα You’ll see this spelt with one or two λ, depending on its position in the line and requirements of the metre.
  2. ἐκ βουλὴ - I think that wherever possible, Pharr looks for the student to use vocabulary that he introduces in that lesson, so here I would use ἐξ ἀγορῆς. (Remember ἐξ takes the genitive!). κοίλούς > κοίλους.
  3. The forms are all correct here, however let me alert you to the nature of the formula “who have Olympian homes”. You mostly see this expressed as " Ὀλύμπια δώματ’ ἔχοντες ¨, or in the case of this sentence, you could write " Ὀλύμπια δώματ΄ἔχουσι". You’re going to see this a lot as a descriptive formula of the gods. Notice how nicely it scans: Following the short O, it’s two dactyls and a spondee. u|-uu|-uu|–, which fits neatly at the end of a verse.
  4. ἡμέτερῳ should be ἡμετέρῳ - the ultima is long, so the accent can’t go any further back than the penult.
  5. Here is another stock epithet, this time of Achilles: πόδας ὠκὺς Ἀχιλλεύς. Notice the construction: a noun in the accusative case followed by its adjective. Literally it means “Achilles, swift with respect to his feet” and so, πόδας is classified as an "accusative of respect (or specification). In the Greek-English exercises, sentence 6 refers us to para. 1014 in the Grammar.
  6. Ἀτρεΐδης should be Ἀτρεΐδᾱο
  7. πεφίληκε is the perfect tense. We want the pluperfect tense here.
  8. here we want the plural of ὠκεῖ ποδὶ. As for the single dative it is usually formed ὡκέϊ in Homer.

Coming along nicely. Happy Holidays, Euchnemide!

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Thanks for the response! Here’s my revisions of Lesson 18:

  1. λελύκaμεν φίλην θύγατρα ᾱ̓ρητῆρος, οὕνεκα ἁζόμεθα ἑκηβόλον Ἀπόλλωνα.
  2. πάντες Ἀχαιοὶ βεβάᾱσι ἐξ ἀγοῆς ἐἰς νῆας κοίλους.
  3. ᾱ̓ρητὴρ ἔκηε πολλὰ μηρία ταύρων τὲ αἰγῶν θεοῖσι Ὀλύμπια δώματ’ ἔχουσι.
  4. ὁ γέρων τέθνηκε ἐν ἡμετέρῳ δώματι.
  5. πόδας ὠκὺς Ἀχιλλεύς βέβηκε.
  6. γέρων οὐ πέποιθε θῡμὸν Ἀτρεΐδᾱο.
  7. Ἀπόλλων ἐπεφιλήκη καλὴν θεᾱ̀ν θαλάσσης.
  8. φευξομεθα ὡκέϊ ποδὶ εἰς πόλιν Πρίαμου;

Now, as for lesson 19:

  1. All the other Achaeans will not shout assent, to reverence the priest and to accept the shining ransoms.
    πάντες ἄλλοι Ἀχαιοὶ οὐκ ἐπευφημήσουσι, αἴδεισθαι ἱερῆα καὶ δέχεσθαι ἀγλαὰ ἄποινα.

  2. We shouted assent, to free the beloved daughter of the priest.
    ἐπευφημήσαμεν, λῦσαι φίλην θύγατρα ἱερῆος. (should the infinitive be aorist to match the first verb?)

  3. To free the daughter of that old man was not pleasing to Agamemnon in his soul.
    λύειν θύγατρα του γέροντος οὐκ ἤνδανε Ἀγαμέμνονι θῡμῷ.

  4. The king sent away that old man harshly, and enjoined a stern command upon him.
    ἄναξ κακῶς ἀφῆκε τὸν γέροντα, δ’ἐπὶ τῷ ἔτειλε κρατερὸν μῦθον.

  5. Agamemnon did not find the old man beside the hollow ships of the Achaeans, for he did not loiter.
    Ἀγαμέμνων οὐκ ἐκιχήσαται γέροντα παρὰ κοίλᾱς νῆας Ἀχαιῶν, οὕνεκα οὐκ ἐδήθῡνε.
    (because loiter is a defective voice, I tried to use imperfect).

  6. To reverence, to fight, to loiter, to send, to have sent, to shout assent, to come upon, to command, to sack utterly, to accept, to be accepted, to be sacked utterly.
    αἴδεισθαι, μάχεσθαι, δήθυνειν, πέμπειν, πέμπεσθαι, ἐπευφήμειν, κιχᾱ́νειν, τέλλειν, ἐκπέρθειν, δέχεσθαι, δέχεσθαι, ἐκπέρθεσθαι

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Alright, while we’re working on perfecting the earlier lessons, I figured I’d get in my version of Chapter 20. The translation here was a bit difficult, but thanks to the English to Greek and Greek to English lessons being nearly identical, I managed to get a pretty good translation done:

  1. The sceptre and the fillets of the god will not avail the old man if he tarries beside the hollow ships of the great-souled Achaeans, or if he returns later, for Agamemnon will kill him, and send his soul to Hades.
    σκῆπτρον καὶ στέμμα θεοῦ οὐ χραισμήσουσι τῷ γέροντι ἤ δηθῡ́νων παρὰ κοίλῃσι νήεσσι ἤ ὕστερον αὖτις ἰων, ὡς Ἀγαμέμνων μὶν ὄλεκει, καὶ ψῡχὴν Ἄιδι προϊάψει.

  2. He will not free his darling daughter, but old age will come upon her in the home of Agamemnon and Clytaemnestra, far from her native land.
    οὐ λῡ́σει παῖδα φίλην, πρὶν δε γῆρας ἔπεισι μιν ἐν οἴκῳ Ἀγαμέμνονος τε Κλυταιμνήστρης τηλόθι τῆς πάτρης.

  3. Vexing, having vexed, quarreling, having quarreled, bearing, having borne, having, sacking, having sacked, helping, having helped, sharing, having shared, going, tarrying.
    χολόοντος, ἐχολώσαντος, ἐρίζοντος, ἠρίσαντος, φέροντος, ηνείκαντος, ἔχοντος, ἐκπέρθοντος, ἐξεπέρσαντος, χραισμέοντος, ἐχραισμήσαντος, ἀντιάοντος, ἠντιάσαντος, βαίνοντος, δηθῡ́νοντος

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I just realized that my notes on the last couple of chapters I did, Chapters 19 and 20, did get some feedback in my private messages, so I’m going to be redoing my answers in the next week or so, and then see if I want to continue or move onto just doing the Greek to English due to the artificial nature of the exercises…I took a couple years’ break from Homeric Greek to study modern languages for good while but now I’m back, redoing one lesson per day from the earlier chapters until I catch back up (I’m up to Chapter 10 so far, although I’ve been studying every inflection of λύω and all noun and pronoun declensions, next up will be athematic verbs and irregular verbs, and I expect I’ll get back to where I was after a couple weeks).

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The Great Courses offers a lecture series mostly bases on Pharr on DVD with a textbook. The exercises are sometimes given in a different chapter, but otherwise identical. That book has a key. You can inspect it at https://archive.org/download/archaiahellenikeglotta/Greek%20101%20Guidebook.pdf

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I just reviewed it, it has at least the answers for Chapter 20 that helped me out. I’m just about to go into Chapter 21’s English to Greek, hopefully it keeps on working well!

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Unfortunately it doesn’t work so well for Chapter 21, either the edition changed for what they used, or they made up their own lessons. Well it’ll work when it works I guess.

Edit: never mind, I was looking at the lesson plans for 21 for Greek to English, not at the Answer key!