Recently sighted on a blog: Dnghu, an attempt to reconstruct Indo-European as the most suitable common language for the EU. Languagehat described it as “touchingly absurd,” which captures my feelings about it perfectly.
I concur with the absolute absurdity of that notion. Latin, after all, was the European language until just a couple hundred years ago. Stupid French … And let’s throw Greek in there for good measure.
Wow! holy crap I understand the IE page! Weird! I’m gonna have to read this a little. So, they actually had enough grammar they could reconstruct to form a reasonable syntax? Based entirely on induced evidence? Wow. That was one of my pipe dreams but I never thought anyone would actually do it!
In case anyone was wondering, Dinghu is the hypothesized IE form for “tongue, language”, both of which are cognates. Language comes from French “langue” from Latin “lingua”, the older form being “dingua”. I wonder why they didn’t mention that. Does no one care about the process behind PIE?
tell me what this be about. how the hell a language is “reconstructed” with so much confidence as to be said “The Proto-Indo-Europeans are the speakers of the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European language…They are a group of people whose existence from around 4000 BCE is inferred from their language, Proto-Indo-European.”
Seriously, though, Schleicher wrote us a little fable in Proto-Indo-European 150 years ago. I thought the consensus was that that was a foolhardy exercise. The more we know, the less we think we know…
P. S. Actually, if Basque IS related to the caucasian languages (the only justification I’ve ever seen is the common name “Iberian”) then it would be included in the Nostratic “phylum.”
Okay — so after a very careful but quick reading of the entire 300-page Modern Indo-European Grammar, I have decided that the project is absolutely ridiculous.
A very interesting and noteworthy project with fascinating results, but ultimately beyond logic. Latin is an infinitely better choice — at least Latinly we have two and a half thousand years of documented litterature, as opposed to the imagined — excuse me, reconstructed stories of the Indo-Europeans, or Sindhueuropaias†— whoever the hades they were.
†That’s another thing; the morphology doesn’t seem to account for any assimilation. Very odd… Where’s George Bernard Shaw to knock some sense into 'em when you need 'im.
Old Greek = Ancient Greek? And which period are they talking about when they say “[…] as it happened with Latin (Europe), Old Greek (Greece) […]”. Surely they are not confusing Puristic Greek (Katharevousa) with ancient Greek?
Anyway, Latin may work better for you but I opt for Greek of whichever period you choose * if we are going to talk about ideas that will probably never work in practice.
provided they were actually spoken at one period or another so Homer is out.
Since Cantor we are permitted to distinguish different sizes of infinities. Dnghu and Latin are frankly in the same cardinality of infinities, both in terms of practicality and likelihood.
What is this project to use Latin in the EU? I tried the expected searches, and got mostly news about the Finnish presidency of the EU.
It was only that in the major arenas, Will — that Finland made Latin one of the languages of the EU under its presidency, a precedent to a single EU language, it is hoped, more ardently by some than others.
Arabic took most of the area once hellenized. So there’s no hope Greek to be discussed as a candidate for the language of Middle-east. Latin’s lucky. Alexander the Great took the wrong direction for his expedition.
Well, there wasn’t much interesting going on that way at the time.
If we’re going to dabble in impossibilities… I can’t imagine the Eastern European countries with long Orthodox histories being happy to adopt the language of the Catholic Church. So the EU can get two working languages — Latin for the West, Classical Greek for the East. Turkey, the former Sultinate of Rum (i.e., Rome) can use Latin if they ever stop shooting themselves in the foot on EU membership.