Hello

Total beginner in Greek here. I’m using White’s book from this excellent site. I enjoy the challenge of learning something new.

I’m a maths teacher from England… and I don’t know why I want to learn Greek, but I do!!

Hope you wonderful people can help me from time to time!

:smiley:

Welcome and good luck to you, Kalowski.

WB

Hi Kalowski

If I say ‘welcome’, I’m a bit of a fraud since I’m only in the door before you! (see ‘intro’ below)

I know what you mean about wanting to learn classical Greek. I have wanted to do the same for almost fifteen years and have no practical use for it other than it is beautiful, ancient and it is there. Pressure of work always gets in my way. (I teach lots of things in a tiny island school where specialist things like a maths teacher are unheard of luxuries.)

Hope you have lots of success and pleasure from your endeavours.

Séan

I always thought that maths teachers interested in Greek wanted to read the treatises. If you’re interested, Mingshey has Euclid’s elements posted on his web site.

Btw, I must be nice to know that ‘math’ derives from the verb μανθάνω :wink:

Welcome, kalowski - and Séan.

Hello there! Yes, I have been slowly working through White with the help of the wonderful Paul and William who look after the study group. Meeting Greek verbs seems rather like like one of those old Indiana Jones movies where Indie falls into pits full of poisonous snakes! However, they do eventually start to make sense! (I think?)
When I think of my terrible struggles with advanced algebra, Greek seems almost easy.

Why is Paul wonderful but not William.
(Don’t aswer that. I’m just kidding.)

You are just being picky because it’s cold and miserable where you are and warm and sunny where I am! :laughing:

They are both wonderful!

(Sorry, Kalowski, we aren’t always this silly!)

Welcome Kalowsky (agus sean) :smiley:

Gabh raibh maith agat, a Dheudedituis! Tá athas orm a bheith anseo. An bhfuil Gaeilge agat?

Séan

(Gratias tibi ago, Deudedite. Laetus sum in hoc loco esse. Habesne linguam hibernicam? or should that be something like, Potesne lingua hibernica loqui?)

You called my bluff, Sean. I only know a little of Gaelige. I studied it for a while, but, alas, living in California, I know noone who can speak Gaelic.. (Except people at the clan McLachlan tent at the local scottish games.) I do know how to say: Ciamar a tha thu, a Sheain (Sheain is right?) and; Tha an gille fuar ach cha’n eil an gille fluich. :sunglasses: I turned back to Latin after failing to learn Gaelic… But I’m still interested.
I knew what you meant with Habesne linguam hibernicam. Maybe you could say Habesne in mente linguam hibernicam or something like that. FYI… Non linguam Hibernicam loqui possum at linguam Caledoniam.

-Eoin :wink:

Ouch.

Welcome, kalowski, to Textkit, where even introductory threads can turn into grammar debates about adjective binding ambiguity. :slight_smile:

evening kalowski,

i hope that are persistent with the learning of greek. every one i know who can do maths is incapable of even the basics. they are simply linguistically inept. so when you have worked hard and really want to say f’(x) off to your textbook (i recommend the 2 part “Greek to GCSE” series, available from amazon) you must learn instead. not that i know much greek but i could help you with any problems you should have, but there is primarily Skylax, annis and whiteoctave for matters Greek.

good luck K., perhaps you could aid me with the SOLID C3 unit, it’s really difficult (modo ioculor)

~E

There’s a deal. If you are doing the really hard ones, FP1, FP2 M3 etc I can help there - conjugating verbs however…

It would be ridiculous for my school to offer further maths! The 4 core maths units of the a level are the only ones taught. I taught myself M1 last summer and got 92 (in your face!) which is quite good considering that I am a linguist.
I will have to do the same for M2 this year, if you are persistent and are still here doing your Greek I hope I can count on you and I will be glad to aid with Greek or even Latin if you choose to begin that too. And conjugating Greek verbs is easy, the hard part is knowing them! What is actually hard is domain and range of functions. I asked my maths teacher what the point of it was in real life, and she said (I quote) “dunno, just teach it like”. My maths teacher is the best. She calls triangles triangulars! And positive quadratics smiley faces! and segments of a circle dairylea [triangulars!] I am not lying she is so funny and popular and every one loves her. Have you been on ratemyteachers.co.uk? Watch out for it, your students might have rated ye!

Ah. I love the domain and range of numbers.

I’ll give you a quick example. I tried to be clever with my symbols - hope you can read it.

With the function f(x) = x² you can use any value for x, becasue any number can be squared, therefore the DOMAIN (the numbers you can put into the function) is infinite. We say it is all Real Numbers - there is a way of writing this: x є R (sort of).
Now think of the answers you’ll get when you square something. They are all positive. Every number squared gives a positive answer.
The RANGE (the numbers that come out of the function, the answers) must always be positive.
We can write f(x) ≥ 0. So for my example,
DOMAIN: x є R (all real numbers)
RANGE: f(x) ≥ 0 (Strictly speaking, all non-negative numbers)

Sometimes we restrict the range because we’re only looking at a particular part of a graph (this is the real life section. If a graph pertains to a real life output, a machine or flight path or chemical reaction - we only study the part that affects reality).

Sometimes domains are restricted. The function f(x) = 1/x has a resticted domain. x ≠ 0 because 1 ÷ 0 is impossible. So we are not allowed all real numbers, but all except 0.

This may help.

Welcome! I look forward to discussions of both math and language with you.

But Episcopus, don’t be fooled, for i² = -1

Reminds of the joke of the physicist and the mathematician. The physicist comes up with a new formula and shows it to the mathematician who says he needs a week to look it over. The next week the mathematician comes back and says the formula doesn’t work. “But, I’ve been using it for the past week,” replies the physicist, “and it has pefectly predicted my experimental results.” The mathematician replies that he needs another week to look it over. A week later he returns to state that the formula does in fact work, but only for the uninteresting case where x is both real and positive.

ooh ooh ooh i hope you haven’t heard this one

A farmer has a biologist chemist and physicist round his house for tea, and after eating they all go out into his field and discover that one of the farmer’s chickens is looking rather unwell. The farmer says “Ye scientists do something, my chicken is sick!” So the biologist checks the chicken’s temperature, the chemist takes a sample of blood for the laboratory, but the physicist remains inactive. The farmer asks why the physicist isn’t using his expertise to help cure his chicken. The physicist replies “Sorry, but it only works for spherical chickens in a vacuum”

~E

My turn…

A physicist, a mathematician and an engineer each had to determine the volume of a little red rubber ball. The physicist places the ball in a beaker of water and measures the displacement. The mathematician measures the ball’s radius and evaluates the triple integral. The engineer looks it up in his table of little red rubber balls.

Welcome to Textkit! I’m also starting my Greek studies using White. Perhaps we could help each other out/work through White together? Not sure what pace you’ll be completing it at but I’m flexible. :slight_smile: