Hans Ordberg, Lingua Latina per se illustrata

Bedwere replied:

  1. Sexto is missing something.
    Laudatur quia magister a Sexto honoratur.

  2. facit responsum temeritatem doesn’t work. Try with a verb, adjective, and noun combination or adverb plus verb.
    It doesn’t work because it’s not clear what is made: a responce or temerity. In the arrangement of words I made, there are two nouns in the accusative case and it seems, here anyway, that a transitive cannot take two objects at once. Also, “facio” is not well put to work in attempting to convey that one gives a response.

tĕmĕrārĭus , a, um, adj.
(n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex … alphabetic letter=T:entry group=8:entry=temerarius

Sextus a magistro laudatur quia non dedit ei responsum temerarium.
Sextus is praised by the teacher for he does not give to him an inconsiderate response.

temere, adv indeclform
(n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor … la#lexicon

Magister laudat Sextum quia is non temere respondit magistro


3) Prius No. Quia like in the preview answer is fine. Prius doesn’t make sense here.

Cur Marcus reprehenditur? Prius, non demonstravit honorem magistro cum, irreverens, responsum ei dedit et dixit eum:

Prius
“former, previous, prior, freq. to be translated first”

(n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor … la#lexicon
I need to not assume that what I think is correct. My assumption was that I could use this word to indicate the first of two ideas.

4) eum
What case for the person to whom you are speaking?
responsum ei dedit et dixit eum:
He gave to him a response and said him…

Responsum dedit dixitque ei.
A response he gave and said to him.


5) Cur Titum non interrogas?, praeterea responsi Marci prave sunt quod non recte congruunt quaestiunculis Diodori…Terrible. Patience. Review. Work. When I come back I’ll rewrite this.

responsi
what declension is responsus?

Responsus, a, um, adj. Masc, feminine, neuter
(n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex … alphabetic letter=R:entry group=22:entry=responsus1


rēsponsus , ūs
(n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex … alphabetic letter=R:entry group=22:entry=responsus2





6) prave you should know better that an adjective must agree with a noun in number, gender, and case. And it cannot be an adverb.
7) eis check cogito. You should add a preposition or change case.
8 computare denarios sestertiis duodequinquaginta Rephrase. When you try to invent some expression on your own, you should check that some authority said it before you.
9) certum Again wrong concordance with the noun. Moreover, instead on non cert.., you could use incert.. (fill the dots).
10) Sextu What declension is Sextus and what case after dico?
11) licet ei respondere se et dixit Sextus Bad. Simplify.

If you insist on using prius, then you need to add a “deinde” or something equivalent at the appropriate place. Otherwise it doesn’t work.

I apologize that there seems to be misunderstanding about a disposition to insist: I would rather not insist to use prius. What I want to do is to list the criticisms that someone would make of my attempts to write and I want to use criticisms to acquire a sense which I do not have. So when I go to a definition for a word, a definition found in a dictionary, I want to see why my use of a word ought to be understood as good or bad. I met someone on a retreat with the Family of St. Jerome who recommended me to this forum. More personally, after my wife passed away in 2009, I began to read Latin grammar texts and I have persisted each day since then, each day, either to attempt to read Latin, or to practice the Chant, or to pronounce Latin out loud. It is humiliating to see how poor my progress has been over that length of time but I say, once more, this forum has provided a great deal of traction and I am grateful to you for it.

Sorry for your wife: may she rest in peace. Don’t worry about the misunderstanding and try to see the glass as half full: you’re making progress, even if not as fast as you’d like.

So much Latin, so little time.

Bedwere replied:

  1. prave you should know better that an adjective must agree with a noun in number, gender, and case. And it cannot be an adverb.

Cur Titum non interrogas?, praeterea responsi Marci prave sunt quod non recte congruunt quaestiunculis Diodori. Really bad! Very terrible! I can see it now, I must be making progress!

Non interrogo eum quia responsus eius boni sunt et recte respondit questionibus Diodori.

  1. eis check cogito. You should add a preposition or change case.

to pursue something in the mind

(n.d.). Retrieved from http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=cogito&la=la#lexicon

Non bene computat numeros quia difficile est cogitare eis
Non bene computat numeros quia difficile est cogitare eos. Non bene…cogitare de eis.

8 computare denarios sestertiis duodequinquaginta Rephrase. When you try to invent some expression on your own, you should check that some authority said it before you and certum is, again, wrong concordance with the noun. Moreover, instead on non cert.., you could use incert.. (fill the dots).

Conatus est computare denarios sestertiis duodequinquaginta, Titus non certum, magistro non statim respondet.

Conatus est computare numerum denariorum qui de sestertiis duodequinquaginta sunt et Titus incertus non statim magistro respondet.

  1. Sextu What declension is Sextus and what case after dico?
    Sextus is second declension and the dative, Sexto, is taken by dico

Post responsum Titi incertum, dixit magister Sextu et licet ei respondere se et dixit Sextus quod duodecim denarii duodequinquaginta sestertii sunt.

  1. licet ei respondere se et dixit Sextus Bad. Simplify.

Post responsum Titi dixit magister: Responde Sexte et Sextus computavit duodecim denarios in duodequinquaginta sestertios sunt.

Sextus computavit duodecim denarios in duodequinquaginta sestertios sunt

You should either use the more colloquial quod/quia/quoniam + indicative or the classical accusative + infinitive construction. You mixed the two and it didn’t come out right. Also, when there is no motion, what case should follow in?

Two more items to consider. Thank you, sincerely, and then I shall try to just simply conform to Orberg’s format.

computavit denarios duodecim esse in duodequinquaginta sestertiis.

When a location or, for example, a set within which a number might be a subset follows the preposition, it is indicated in the ablative case.

One of the most noteworthy features of the Latin language is the use of dependent noun clauses…whose verb is an infinitive and whose subject is an accusative.


Arnold, T. K., Mountford, J. F., & Bradley, G. G. (2006). Bradley’s Arnold Latin prose composition. Wauconda, IL: Bolchazy-Carducci. pp36

Question: How do I know which conjugation of some verb is indicated when viewing verbs at perseus.tufts.edu?

Perseus shows you the entries of the Lewis and Short dictionary. You can tell if it belongs to the 2nd (theme in 3) or 4th (theme in i) conjugation by looking at the present: if it ends in eo, then it’s 2nd; if it ends in io, then it’s 4th. To distinguish between the 1st (theme in a) and the 3rd (consonant theme) conjugation look at the perfect: if it end in avi, then it’s first conjugation. Analogously for deponents.

CAPITULUM DOUDEVIGESIMUM

Litteras latinas, in capitulo monstrantibus, quarum litterae a, e, i, o, v, vocales sunt. Vocabula vocalibus et consonantibus composita sunt. Syllabae sine vocalibus non existit. Syllabae vocabulorum vocalibus cum consonantibus scripta, posset vocabula lector dicere.

This is a mess.

I’m not going to give up, I will simplify. :blush:

Vocabula Latinae litteras habent quae vocales sunt a,e,i,o,v. Sentnetiae libri Familiae Romanae simpliciter composita sunt. Quaeque syllaba vocalem habet et syllabae non existent sine vocalibus neque vocabuli existent sine syllabis.

There are still problems. :unamused:
Do you really mean Latinae?
What tense is existent?


Anyway, nobody wants you to give up. Rather, is the book asking you to write these compositions or is it an idea of yours? If you want to master composition, I recommend a more traditional approach. Textkit was originally created to distribute old Latin and Greek school books. Download and do the exercises in Latin Prose Composition, North and Hillard. There is also the key to correct your work (but feel free to post).

Yes, I know. No, the book has its own exercises and I have posted these but I think I ought to make original attempts, too, for these show how extensive is my ignorance and there is the opportunity. Yet I will no longer try, as I did in my beginning, to compose long sentences or post numerous sentences from Ordberg’s execises because I think numerous attempts are inefficient. And there is the stubborn habit I have of not seeing what is right in front of me, e.g., that “existo” is first conjugation!

Yes, I intended “Latinae” when trying to say “Latin words”, since “a” may be neuter plural nominative and “ae” may be…Well, there! I did it again! “Latinae” may be nominative plural but in gender it does not agree with “vocabula”. Given the number of mistakes I tend to make out of this…habit or act of seeing, (ablative absolute), I remind my self not to give up and the power of seeing/knowing will eventually take its right object.

I will begin again with your direction.

Hello friends,

I’m thinking about writing some chapters along the lines of this book. Where should I post them? Here, or is there another thread more suitable?

Yes, another thread would definitely be more suitable. Thanks!

Where do you suggest? I couldn’t find an Orberg composition thread (I think there might be one)

If not, I guess I should open a new thread in the Composition Board

That would be most appropriate.