Hello, can someone help me understand the last sentence in this text (the part that says καὶ θαυμάζεται ἡ τέχνη αὐτοῦ). I don’t understand the nominative in ἡ τέχνη neither the genitive in αὐτοῦ.
Θαυμάζεται οὖν ὁ Δαίδαλος διὰ τὸ ἔργον, ὅ κατα τὴν τοῦ τυράννου βουλὴν ἱδρύει, καὶ θαυμάζεται ἡ τέχνη αὐτοῦ.
Thanks a lot!
Hi,
θαυμάζομαι is a middle/passive form, so in your clause “καὶ θαυμάζεται ἡ τέχνη αὐτοῦ.” which use is more appropriate-middle or passive? Bear in mind this clause parallels “Θαυμάζεται οὖν ὁ Δαίδαλος διὰ τὸ ἔργον,”.
Hello thank you I know θαυμάζεται is middle-passive, my problem is not in identifying the forms but about understanding the meaning.
It seems to me that ἡ τέχνη is the subject of θαυμάζεται and αὐτοῦ refers to Δαίδαλος.
Does that give you enough to work on?
What does the Latin say?
I don’t have the latin. How would you translate it then?
I’m sorry - I assumed that if you had no problem with θαυμάζεται…ὁ Δαίδαλος, seeing θαυμάζεται ἡ τέχνη, you’d translate it the same way. If it’s a middle, the meaning would be “he admires for himself”, If it’s passive it would mean “he is admired”. Now armed with Seneca’s help and this piece of information, you’ll be able to sort it out.
I just wanted you to help me translate sentence, How would you translate in English please?
We have tried to help you translate the sentence.
if you are learning Greek the best way to proceed is to get hints and then work it for yourself. Simply translating the sentence for you is no help at all.
θαυμάζεται is passive. If you are really stuck ask again.
Rather than grammarizing (which isn’t the point of these books), maybe explain by expanding on the Greek a bit?
οἱ ἄνθρωποι θαυμάζουσι τὸν Δαίδαλον. θαυμάζεται Δαίδαλος ὑπὸ τούτων τῶν ἀνθρώπων. ἱδρύει ἔργον τι Δαίδαλος φαίνων τέχνην δεινήν. οἱ ἄνθρωποι θαυμάζουσι ταύτην τὴν τέχνην. θαυμάζεται ἡ τέχνη τοῦ Δαιδάλου ὑπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων.
LOL it seemed to me people in this forum don’t know how to translate a simple sentence…
The tips are not stupid. If you haven’t understood them, that’s fine we all have to learn. We treated you with respect. No one said your question was stupid nor did anyone denigrate you for not being to understand the Greek. Your latest post is not one which will encourage any one to give you help.
I was asking for translation and you started to treat me like an idiot, like if I didn’t know how to identify the forms. Even Perseus knows how to do that for God’s sake. I asked for help in TRANSLATION three times and you continued with your superior position asking me about Latin and talking about the goal of these texts. I don’t need you to teach me what these texts are for. You are the ones who should review your answers not me. So YES your tips are STUPID.
This is not a translation forum, it’s a learning Greek forum. While I agree that people should example more and explain less, and that this thread may have showed too much explainism, your attacks are in bad form.
The translation of the bit that you posted about, which everyone who posted to this thread could see immediately, is obviously “his craft is marveled at” or similar.
Seneca, Aetos, please remember that the question/answer approach is for tutors talking to children, and is rather insulting to adult learners, who will often have accomplishments outside the subject and deserve to be treated as adults.
lerenardduprince, any more insults will result in a ban.