I seem to have had a problem sending out emails to the D’Ooge group mailing list, also I am not sure if anyone is still working their way through the book. If not, I might get back onto the job of checking the new key. This could run for the 1st 30 chapters of D’Ooge and could be used as a “beginners course”. I have been adding notes as I do the answers so these will also be part of the key.
The last few weeks have been a bit muddled as we returned from our holidays only to have a death in the family. So my attention has been elsewhere for the last few weeks.
Now I want to get back to my studies and the D’Ooge key, so any comments & ideas would be most welcome.
My sympathies and condolences. God bless.
WB
Hi,
I have never actually registered as a D’Ooge ‘member’ but have merely dropped in from time to time, so perhaps I should hold my peace. However …
Jeff states that no key was produced for Latin for Beginners (1909/1911) because it was a classroom text That may or may not be the case, but for Elements of Latin, a slightly later work by Mr D’Ooge (1921) – ‘not a revision of “Latin for Beginners? but … an entirely new book’, a key exists. I bought it on the Web (+ the book) about a year ago.
I realize that my proposal may sound like a non-starter to ‘the regulars’ since so much effort has already been expended on the earlier work, but might it not be possible to include Elements of Latin in the Textkit arsenal – i.e. the book (that includes exercises and reading selections) along with the original publisher-approved translation key?
Just a thought.
Another, more sombre, thought:
I recently bought a glossy paperback entitled with typical 21st-century pizazz, “Latin – Super Review – All You Need To Know!?. The author is given as Benjamin L. D’ooge, Ph.D. and a certain Carl Fuchs, ‘Language Program Director’, is also mentioned on the title page. It says Year 2003 Printing and Copyright @ 2001 by Research & Education Association.
Instead of an introduction, there is a 2-page blurb by ‘Dr. Max. Fogiel, Director Research & Education Association’ entitled ‘WHAT THIS SuperReview WILL DO FOR YOU.
From the Contents page to the end of the book (except for the final advert page - ‘Please send me more information about your LANGUAGE Essential books, etc, etc’), the book is identical to my copy of Elements of Latin published in 1921. The only difference is the whiteness of their paper compared to the slightly yellowed pages of my 1921 edition. In the 2001 @ version, there is absolutely no acknowledgement of the original source edition.
I have been taught by the American media to look down on the Chinese copyright bandits. Can it really be so simple for American bandits to perpetrate theft of intellectual property à la Chinois? Does this so-called ‘Copyright @ 2001’ prevent other parties like Textkit from using the original 1921 materials, because (like Web domain names) some charlatan has staked a ‘prior claim’ (kidnapped the rights)?
Who is Jeff? What’s his take on this?
Cheers,
Int
The short answer is “no.” Once that copyright has expired, it’s expired for good and cannot be resurrected. Now, their advert copy and any translations they have done (if any) that are not in the original work would be covered in the new copyright statement, but they can’t reclaim the expired copyright on the original materials.
Chris
The last few weeks have been a bit muddled as we returned from our holidays only to have a death in the family. So my attention has been elsewhere for the last few weeks.
Carola, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. I want to thank you for all the work you have put into the D’Ooge group.
I am not sure if anyone is still working their way through the book.
I believe I am the last remaining member of the “Incredibly Shrinking D’Ooge Group.” It is ironic that everyone else has dropped out, since this group (with its weekly deadlines) has finally provided me with the discipline I have needed to stick with the lessons.
Maintaining the group must be a lot of work-especially for only one group member. If you’d care to instruct me, perhaps I could continue putting the lessons on the greekgeek site. This would help me keep going and would perhaps be beneficial to others working on their own. Would this be acceptable to Paul?
Please let me know, since for me the D’Ooge group has been a lifeline to the sort of intellectual endeavor I find necessary for a full life. A dear, (now departed) friend of mine once asked out loud, if anyone in the West can be considered truly educated without knowing Latin?" I think she may have been right.
Tim
Hi cdm2003,
The short answer is “no.” Once that copyright has expired, it’s expired for good and cannot be resurrected.
We’ll, I’m glad to hear that.
However, since the first d’Ooge group has faded into the forest dim, a second d’Ooge group is hardly likely to have much appeal EVEN IF a complete key to all exercises and texts is available.
Ave atque vale, Mr d’Ooge.
Int
I believe I am the last remaining member of the “Incredibly Shrinking D’Ooge Group.” It is ironic that everyone else has dropped out, since this group (with its weekly deadlines) has finally provided me with the discipline I have needed to stick with the lessons.
Maintaining the group must be a lot of work-especially for only one group member. If you’d care to instruct me, perhaps I could continue putting the lessons on the greekgeek site. This would help me keep going and would perhaps be beneficial to others working on their own.
No, no, I’m still here. But due to moving cross country, I’m afraid I missed a few weeks. I’m now trying to catch up. I was kind of wondering how much work it is to post the questions, since there is not much of a group left. I wouldn’t mind taking turns posting lessons, if this could be done. Technically, I finished the book earlier this year (around the time the group started) but I’ve been having such a hard time moving on to regular texts that I find the review quite helpful.
Do you want me to restart the answers from this weekend (from the point we finished)? I don’t mind and now can turn my mind back to more of this work. I have also got to do some editing on the new key (with extra notes). It keeps my Latin from getting “rusty”.
Perhaps this time I will make allowances in the schedule for breaks when I am having exams etc, that way I don’t get too overwhelmed.
Carola wrote: Do you want me to restart the answers from this weekend (from the point we finished)?
Carola, this would be great. I have completed all the posted lessons (up to 152B) and I am ready for more. I know you have a lot of committments, so if there is anything I can do to help, I am willing to do so. This would allow me to help contribute to the Textkit community.
Tim
I have now sent out an email with a schedule for the next 2 weeks and am preparing the lessons etc. At the moment I am probably OK but if I run into problems I will certainly take up any offers of help! As I am now catching up with my university work as things settle down at home I have some spare time.
Hello. Because a professor has told me it would be better to learn latin first and ancient greek after that I have started working on the D’Ooge text. I am a full time student just starting out with the latin in my spare time but I am interested enough to see if there are any others that would want to accompany me. From reading the posts here that doesn’t seem too likely but I thought I would throw it out there anyway.
Hello. I am also interested in learning Latin in my spare time and have downloaded D’Ooge. I am not certain I can do this by myself. Well, ok, I lie. After taking a brief look at the text I am sure I cannot do this by myself. Are there others out there who are just at the beginning like me?
I don’t know how much we could do to help eachother with just the two of us. I posted a question about the key and got very prompt help so it seems there will be support from the advanced speakers if we have questions or problems. Other than that I have gotten through lesson 10 basically. Good luck.
I’ve picked up a copy of Wheelock’s 6th edition so I am using that one right now. They seem to cover the material in a similar order though of course the vocab is different. I have learned from past experience with self teaching that it is often quite good for me to use multiple text books. So I will probably keep looking at D’ooge and hopefully Ceasar sometime in the not too distant future. So if anyone is still interested in having a partner or group member for D’ooge, I’m still interested. Thanks.
I too would be interested.
one week to each lesson.
I’m still here, and I’m still interested.
Hi all,
Socrates and any one else that is interested please see the post:
http://discourse.textkit.com/t/the-da-ooge-group-is-accepting-new-students/6164/1
Best regards,
Andrus
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Couldn’t find a key, but anyone wanting a pdf of D’Ooge’s Elements of Latin can get it from G’Oogle:
The scan quality looks excellent (which is not always true of these).
There are a few other downloadables for you D’Ooge lovers:
Second Year Latin
Latin Composition for Secondary Schools
De particularum copulativarum apud Caesarem
Caesar’s Gallic war: (Allen and Greenough’s edition)
Colloquia latina: Adapted to the Beginners’ Books of Jones, Leighton, and Collar and Daniell
There are also two that you can read online, but cannot download as pdfs, for some reason:
Cicero, select orations
Selections from Urbis Romae Viri Inlustres
Not downloadable outside the US, I’m afraid.
Ingrid