Difficult Aeschylus passage from Hansen and Quinn exercises

Aischylos, Seven Against Thebes 4:

εἰ μὲν γὰρ εὖ πράξαιμεν, αἰτία θεοῦ

This little snippet appears in the exercises/readings section of Hansen and Quinn’s Greek: An Intensive Course Unit 7. This is the chapter that just introduced the optative of wish construction introduced by the particles εἰ γὰρ. Yet the second clause doesn’t seem to make sense if you translate the first half as “If only we would fare well” or “May we fare well” or “I wish we would fare well.”

I wrestled with this sentence for a long time, trying to make sense of what appears to be an optative of wish construction, as taught in this very chapter, but couldn’t make sense of that second half.

With the help of the internet, I came up with this reading, understanding the sentence as a future less vivid conditional sentence: “For if we should fare well, the responsibility is god’s.” Does this sound like a reasonable interpretation?

I think it is downright dirty and nasty to include this sentence in an early chapter of a beginner textbook without any notes or help. The “εἰ γὰρ” in the context of this chapter’s grammar lesson would suggest the optative of wish, “I wish we would do well,” but then it is difficult to make sense of “αἰτία θεοῦ.” Evidently what we are supposed to somehow figure out is that this sentence is a kind of compressed future less vivid conditional, (εἰ + opt, opt + ἀν), wherein the verb of the second clause is implicit and so is the ἀν. (I suppose if we were to actually insert a verb on the page, it would be an optative form of εἰμι, whatever that is). I finally solved this by googling the entire phrase for help, and I found a Greek/English parallel translation from the Loeb classics, which you can find if you search yourselves (would post the link, but I’m still trying to get approved as a member on this board)

The missing ἀν never shows up in our sentence, but the very next sentence in context is a parallel construction that makes the grammar more explicit, using an εἰ + opt protasis (and no γὰρ) and the clear and real follow-through of another optative verb and the explicit appearance of ἀν.

It would be hard to pull a dirtier or nastier trick than this on beginning Greek learners. A sentence containing εἰ γὰρ right after a lesson teaching the optative of wish, with a compressed apodosis containting an implied optative plus an invisible ἀν, and the whole thing lifted out of context so that the contrasting parallel of the μεν… δε construction is robbed of its second half where the grammar is made more explicit. Agh! This is cruel!

I have found this level of obfuscated befuddlement to be entirely characteristic of the epigrammatic “readings” at the end of each chapter of H&Q, which are such ridiculously dense and labyrinthine one-liners as to be about the most difficult thing one could conceive to put before new Greek students, especially the auto-didact, and I can discern no higher purpose than the crushing of the neophyte’s spirit. O Hansen and Quinn, as wicked dew as e’er my mother brushed with raven’s feathers from unwholesome fen drop on you both!

In any case, I am reading this as a future less vivid conditional sentence, which just so happens to have γὰρ plopped in it, but in its standard conjunction/explanatory usage as “for” rather than an optative of wish as εἰ γὰρ. The ἀν of the apodosis would appear to be missing or implicit, but in the wider context of the passage, shows up later in the following lines of a parallel construction within a μεν… δε contrast. The Loeb classics English translation backs up my appraisal by rendering this a “If x should, then y would” type of sentence. Does anybody else have a different explanation to offer? I am not one well versed in the optative, nor especially in the dense syntax of Greek theater/poetry. Am I reading this right?

Tell me about it!
But to be fair I am sure that there is no maliciousness on the part of H&Q. Knowing Greek as well as I am sure they are unaware of how difficult these kind of dense out context one liners are. How can such a short sentence be difficult? I imagine they would say.

The root of this is the dogma that only real Greek is appropriate for learners to read. It is true that textbooks that avoid idiomatic Greek do not really equip you to read the Greek of actual Greek writers. However, the solution is ease students in with plenty of repetition and hints not to blindside them with traps like the above.

I am not qualified to judge you explanation but it makes sense and will help me when I encounter similar constructions in future.

The verb that’s implicit is just a plain “is”, and no ἀν needs to be supplied.
You’ve already translated it this way yourself.
You can supply an intended optative + ἀν in the apodosis if you prefer, and given the protasis we have in front of us I see no problem in doing so.

The context is helpful:

cited from Alan H. Sommerstein LCL 2009

ΕΤΕΟΚΛΗΣ

Κάδμου πολῖται, χρὴ λέγειν τὰ καίρια,
ὅστις φυλάσσει πρᾶγος ἐν πρύμνῃ πόλεως
οἴακα νωμῶν, βλέφαρα μὴ κοιμῶν ὕπνῳ.
εἰ μὲν γὰρ εὖ πράξαιμεν, αἰτία θεοῦ·

Eteocles

Citizens of Cadmus’ land, he who guards the city’s
fortunes, controlling the helm at its stern, never
letting his eyes rest in sleep, has to give the right
advice for the situation. For if we should be
successful, the responsibility
would be god’s;
—Sommerstein LCL 2009


When reading Attic Tragedy you will regularly find things omitted, all sorts of things, almost anything (not quite) can be omitted. What exactly was omitted is a question worth exploring. Conditional constructions do not always conform to the prototypes found in grammars.

I concur with NT Greek grammarians S.E. Porter (Idioms 2nd ed.1994) and R. A. Young (Intermediate NT Greek 1994) when they object to the complexity of classification systems used for conditional sentences. There are several systems and combinations abound. Porter’s suggestion that we build from the form of the protasis has some merit. So we might just call this example a conditional with εἰ + optative (in the protasis) and then look at various patterns associated with that form of protasis.

I have never used H&Q. However, it seems reasonable that the student would look up αἰτία in LSJ or LS middle where she would find this passage cited:

αἰτία, ἡ, (αἰτέω) a charge, accusation, Lat. crimen , and then the guilt or fault implied in such accusation, Pind., Hdt.:—Phrases: αἰτίαν ἔχειν to be accused, τινός of a thing, Id., etc.;—reversely, αἰτία ἔχει με Id.; ἐν αἰτίᾳ εἶναι or γίγνεσθαι Xen., etc.; αἰτίαν ὑπέχειν to lie under a charge, Plat.; αἰτίαν φέρεσθαι Thuc.; αἰτίαις ἐνέχεσθαι Plat.:—opp. to these are ἐν αἰτίᾳ ἔχειν or δι’ αἰτίας to hold one guilty, accuse, Hdt., Thuc., etc.; ἐν αἰτίᾳ βάλλειν Soph.; αἰτίαν νέμειν τινί Id., etc.
2. in good sense, > εἰ εὖ πράξαιμεν, αἰτία θεοῦ the credit is his> , Aesch.; οἳ ἔχουσι ταύτην τὴν αἰτίαν who have this as their characteristic, Plat.

All the words in this short quote are common words the student needs to learn. The compact style of Aeschylus is not unique to his work thus the passage raises problems that will be encountered elsewhere. This is not an apology for H&Q, just some random observations about the benefits of reading a line from Aeschylus.

Agreed, but it is without the context that Hansen and Quinn expect students to decode such lines.

My complaint is not really about the style of Aeschylus. Learning a language works best if the student is stretched just a bit. Throwing one liners such as this means for many that any meaning has to be wrenched so laboriously that the student is left at the end exhausted and by the next day all is forgotten just as surely as the stone of Sisyphus will roll back down again.

Language needs repetition of constructions in fresh ways to stick and if Aeschylus is to be part of that textbook writers have to prepare the ground well and not drop students into the deep end.

Of course what is a deep end for some may be merely stretched just a bit for others.

David,

I totally agree. Aeschylus is generally off the deep end. This line we are looking at isn’t nearly as difficult as many others. When I picked up Page-Denniston Agamemnon at library in late 90s and read the blurb on the back saying this was a book intended for 6th form, I thought that this must be a book for beginning students. Got straighten on that by a classics prof from Wake Forest University and also Ann Nyland from Australia.

Anyway, I now recall having checked out H&Q several times from the library, didn’t know authors names the two vol set of intensive course books, I tried using them, I took several passes at them but didn’t stick with it. Went back to just reading texts with grammars on hand.