Sophocles scholia

“Does anyone have an opinion whether Nagy’s chapter in the New Companion to Homer is any good?”

If I remember correctly, it’s thorough but polemical or at least controversial, as anything written by Nagy, and anything written about the A scholia, tends to be.

A dispute has been raging among scholars since the latter part of the 19th century as to whether variant readings ascribed to Aristarchus and other Alexandrian scholars in the A scholia reflect divergent readings they found in manuscripts, or instead were just made up by Aristarchus or someone else when they didn’t like the reading in the text or texts they were working from. In other words, were the Alexandrian scholars engaging in something like modern textual criticism or not? A particular point of contention is what basis Aristarchus had for athetizing specific verses–marking them as not genuine. In some cases, it’s clear that he was motivated by considerations of propriety that we wouldn’t consider appropriate in editing a text.

The A scholia present material that is apparently drawn from a commentary (the VMK, or Vier-maenner-kommentar) that was compiled from treatises on various aspects of Homeric language by four post-Alexandrian scholars who in turn drew on the work of Alexandrian scholars including Aristarchus.

Again, if I remember correctly, Nagy thinks that Aristarchus consulted manuscripts and didn’t wantonly make up variant readings. This fits in with his view that the text remained to some degree fluid down to the Alexandrian era, reflecting a process of progressive stabilization of an originally oral Iliad existing in multiple versions, and for this reason Nagy and his followers make something of a fetish of the Venetus A codex in which the A scholia are found (that’s why they’re called the “A scholia”).

West, of course, thinks that the Iliad was textualized very early, and that the variants ascribed to Aristarchus in the A scholia are essentially worthless. This is the substance of their clash in the BMCR 15 or 20 years ago.

The issue of the reliability of the Aristarchus readings transmitted by the A scholia is not a new one, and I don’t think there’s a consensus on the issue, even among scholars who aren’t necessarily in one camp or the other. So almost anything you read about the A scholia is bound to be somewhat tendentious one way or the other. The bT scholia are more literary comments and the D scholia are more or less glosses for reading the Iliad in schools.

Incidentally, most of Aristarchus’ variants and athetizations apparently didn’t make it into the Alexandrian “vulgate,” and this is part of the puzzle of how the Iliad as we have it came into existence. I don’t think that for the most part these issues make a substantial difference in reading and responding critically to the Iliad, at least at my unsophisticated level, and I’m not comfortable, from what I’ve read, that it’s possible to resolve these issues definitively in any event.

Maybe mwh can set me straight on some of this, which is off the top of my head, based on material I haven’t read recently.

hi, a good e.g. of this from homeric scholia (which links back to the original post), criticising verses not based on manuscript evidence but on their dramatic weakness (or however you want to put it), is the scholion on iliad A.29: see pg 7 of my old iliad A notes here:
http://mhninaeide.webs.com/IliadANotes.pdf

there’s also a particularly nasty one against zenodotus on iliad A.68, see pg12 of the same link. there’s some interesting thoughts of martin west on this in his book accompanying his teubner iliad. he thinks (if i remember the details from a book i read 15 years ago or so, i could be wrong) that maybe zenodotus was merely editing an existing copy which had some variant spelling in it - he was just noting which lines to delete etc. and then the other commentators lashed out at these spellings against zenodotus himself as if he was responsible for them himself…

re the project in the original post, i think it would be useful to collect the scholia, or at least references to scholia, that make lit-crit type comments. the translation into english part isn’t necessary for that although people could if they wanted to. i’ll look out for these type of comments as i read the scholia going forward as part of general reading. cheers, chad

Thanks, Joel, that’s just what I was looking for. I imagine the only edition with a more readable font would be G.A. Christodoulou’s 1977 book, but I haven’t been able to find that anywhere.

You can already get it from Espresso Book Machine and Amazon. Do you know of a website that would improve on these in price or format? I’ve thought about taking one of these Google books to a local printer to get a better (larger font) edition, but have never followed through.

Thanks. I have read of course about West’s and Nagy’s clash and I have a sort of idea of their respective positions on Aristarchus, Zenodotus etc. Until now I’ve been pretty much dependent on how these scholars represent the material (although I have a facsimile of Venetus A on my iPad, I have had little use of it :wink: ), but I’d like to go and see the evidence for myself to be able to read these scholars with some more context, and I wonder whether Nagy’s article will help me to do that. Basically, I’d like start with the basic stuff: the transmission of the manuscripts, how the scholia have been sorted out and assigned names etc. – basically exactly the sort of thing mwh said above but a bit more in detail. I’m ok with Nagy’s idiosyncrasies, if he also provides this basic information and doesn’t just make it a show of his own theories.

@Paul – This has some of what you’re looking for, the early chapters are very good:

Homer’s Text and Language by Nagy.

Some of later chapters are very bad. δοκεῖ γὰρ ὅτι ἐν τῇ πολυλογίᾳ αὐτοῦ εἰσακουσθήσεται.

I recommend looking through the online library at that site (CHS).

Books
Articles

Some of the highlights are Parry’s articles and a Nagy article about the Bacchylides Papyri.

Paul, I’m afraid Nagy’s New Companion chapter on the scholia will not provide what you’re after. It hardly even pretends to be an introduction to the Homeric scholia. Nagy has no interest in the scholia as such, only in the readings reported for the early Alexandrians, and that only for the purpose of accommodating them to his well publicized views on the Homeric text and its editing. Much of the time he speaks of “the Homeric scholia” when what he means is the text-critical A-scholia of the Iliad, or even more narrowly those that mention Alexandrian readings, as recorded by Didymus in one of the four works that feed into the A-scholia. (These were the preoccupation of 19th- and early 20th-century Homeric scholars too, Lehrs, Ludwich, etc.) The bT scholia get barely a look-in, and he doesn’t give even as much of the basic information that I offered above. It’s a terribly unbalanced treatment. The term monomania was recently applied to “Isaac Newton” on another forum. If it’s really Aristarchus you’re interested in, Francesca Schironi is the one to look out for.

Janko responded to the chapter in his review of the book: http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1998/98.5.20.html.
But In allowing Nagy to set the terms of the debate he neglected to criticize the chapter’s inadequacy as a general account of the scholia.

Nagy’s book linked by jeidsath is I think even less you’re looking for, but you can be the judge of that.

We should be able to discuss the scholia without getting entangled in the perennial question of the status of the Aristarchean readings and the establishment (or non-establishment) of the Homeric text. I’ve had my say on that, and am sick to death of it.

If you can get hold of it, you’d be much better off with René Nünlist’s well-informed entry on Scholia in Finkelberg’s Homer Encyclopedia, a wonderful resource.

We could look at Homer scholia in a separate thread if there’s interest in that. Chad points to one which has some interesting affinity with the Soph.Aj. one that I started with.

End of diversion?

I’ve read, or rather skimmed, a few pages of the Ajax scholia that Joel posted a link to. Most of them seem to be explanatory or to address linguistic questions, explaining older Greek forms to post-classical readers. I’m not finding any lit-crit comments yet. I don’t think I’ve ever read the Ajax. I have a number of editions at hand, and one (Finglass) on order. I think I’ll have to read the play itself before trying to winnow the wheat from the chaff in the scholia.

One thing the scholia do seem to evidence is the difficulties that later Greeks had reading Sophocles. They seemed to need a lot of hand-holding if the scholia are any indication. Maybe the scholia are targeted at adolescent students. But I guess the users of the scholia were separated from Sophocles by at least as much time as we are from Shakespeare.

Thanks as ever to jeidath for linking to Lobeck’s edition of the Ajax scholia. A much better edition (the first truly critical edition) is Christodoulou’s, whose text is taken over by the TLG. But without institutional access to that it will cost you an arm and a leg. I could maybe put a bit of it up here.

It does seem more than a little perverse to be reading the scholia when we could be reading Sophocles. And Finglass’s Ajax commentary, which I haven’t yet read myself, will certainly teach us far far more about Sophoclean tragedy than the ancient scholia will. Sophocles’ language is far from easy, as Finglass rightly insists, and needs better exegesis than scholia can be expected to provide. My interest in scholia (and more especially in ancient commentaries) is more historical-cultural.

I’m going to have to withdraw from Textkit for a while. I just have too much on—finishing Finglass’s excellent Stesichorus for one, but more pressingly a host of domestic affairs and other commitments. I’ll look in now and again.

It might be a bit pervert, but on the other hand I hope getting some first experience (or at least a glimpse) of the scholia will help to put modern commentaries into perspective. Of course, it would be nice if someone had picked out the most interesting ones beforehand, like the ones mwh and Chad have pointed out. But as it is, reading the scholia along the play is only possible way I think.

Thanks for all the Homer stuff, I promise to start a new thread if feel the urge for a diversion again.