Some Thoughts to the Gaza Crisis

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The Ceasefire:

What ceasefire? There never was a ceasefire. How could there be a ceasefire? The Palestinians of Gaza have been under brutal occupation for over 40 years. Furthermore, in the last 2 years Gaza has been blockaded on land, on sea, and in the f#####g air!!! Apartheid Israel has allowed nothing in or out—except maybe a trickle of food and medicine, now and then. And for Israeli apartheid apologists who still insist that there was a ceasefire and that Hamas broke it, here’s the headline from the Nov. 5, 2008 Guardian:

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen

A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.

Since the withdrawal of Israeli terrorist settlers from Gaza in 2005, Israeli apartheid soldiers have frequently raided Gaza.


Qassam Rockets:

What can I say about these crude, fertilizer-based rockets? Even the Israeli Apatheid “Defense” Forces have said that these “weapons” cause more of a psychological scare than a physical threat. Now, if one these Qassams were to land directlly on one’s head, …

Note: In the last 7 years, you can count the number of Israeli dead from Qassam rockets on your fingers! Would you like me to count the number of Palestinians and Lebanese killed by Israeli apartheid soldiers in the last 7 years?


Lebanon 2006 Redux:

You’d think that apartheid Israel would have learned its lesson from its humiliating defeat in Lebanon: You can’t bomb a proud people into submission!

I guess not.

Can you imagine a Hezbollah fighter and an Israeli apartheid soldier in one-on-one combat? Neither can I. The Israeli apartheid soldier, after soiling his uniform (paid for by the American taxpayer), would be running like the dickens home (most probably Brooklyn).


The Arab Regimes:

All COWARDS!—Egypt being the most pathetic of all.


President-Elect Obama:

His silence is deafening. Looks like the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) got their money’s worth. If they can buy a politician, and an American president at that, good for them I say. Maybe the other Washington lobbyist groups can learn a lesson or two from the pro-Israel lobby. Here’s the headline from AIPAC’s website:

Specia Report: Hamas’ Assault on Israel

Seriously, those Zionists have no shame. No siree, Jack!


Hamas’s Military vs Apartheid Israel’s Military:

HAMAS: Fertilizer-based, crude, unguided rockets; Vietnam surplus rifles; rocks—plenty of rocks since apartheid Israel is turning Gaza into a big pile of rubble; half-starved fighters (there’s the 2-year siege, remember?).

ISRAEL: Israel = United States of America.

Nothing more to say. Should be a “fair” fight.


A Nation Has a Right to Defend Itself:

Indeed! The Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against the brutal occupation of their homeland. Occupation soldiers and illegal settlers have no rights. A good occupation soldier is a dead occupation soldier. (Excuse the cliche :slight_smile: )


One Last Note…

Does the following quote sound racist?

“Once a Jewish state is established, I can come to the Jewish citizens, whom we call American Jews, and say to them ‘you are citizens with equal rights, but the national solution for you is elsewhere,’” the Secretary of State was quoted by CNN as saying to students at a New York city high school.

If Condoleeza Rice ever uttered such a horrible statement, she would be rightly called an antisemite. Notwithstanding her direct complicity in American war crimes, Condi (to me and her close friends) never made such a racist statement. However, apartheid Israel’s Acting Prime Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, and Current War Criminal, TZIPI LIVNI, did. Here’s the extract from the Dec. 11, 2008 Haaretz.com edition:

Livni: National aspirations of Israel’s Arabs can be met by Palestinian homeland

By Haaretz Service and News Agencies

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Thursday that the creation of a Palestinian state would serve as a solution to national aspirations of Israel’s Arab citizens.

“Once a Palestinian state is established, I can come to the Palestinian citizens, whom we call Israeli Arabs, and say to them ‘you are citizens with equal rights, but the national solution for you is elsewhere,’” Livni was quoted by Army Radio as saying to students at a Tel Aviv high school.

Way to go, Tzipi! If ethnic cleansing first succeeds, try, try—do try—again!




best,

~PeterD

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Haha, I was wondering when you were going to bring up this topic.

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This is no laughing matter.

Cheers,
Int

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I brought it up, Amadeus, because it’s important.

Also, as Interaxus noted, it is no laughing matter. Palestinian deaths in Gaza have now surpassed 500. Palestinian wounded number in the thousands. They, the wounded, are the unfortunate ones—unfortunate to survive their initial wounds. The hospitals have no electricity to function properly. Medical supplies are very low. No painkillers. Yeah, the wounded envy the dead. And yet, on CNN and other mainstream American news outlets, viewers are constantly reminded that 4 Israelis have been killed since hostilities started. Here’s today’s headline from http://www.cnn.com:

Civilians on both sides caught in crossfire

Both sides? The Palestinians are being shot like fish in a barrel.

Have I mentioned already my disgust for the Arab regimes? They—Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, et al—are complicit in the Israeli massacres in Gaza.



best,

PeterD

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Well I’m certainly not laughing at the horrible situation in Gaza! :confused: I’m mad as hell over the invasion!

I was merely chuckling at the fact that PeterD rarely posts here anymore, and when all this mess started I thought it was only a matter of time before he re-appeared. Nothing more.

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Hi, Amadeus.

I know, Amadeus. You are a decent man.


… and when all this mess started I thought it was only a matter of time before he re-appeared.

I rarely posted because I did not, unfortunately, have the leisure to participate here. Now that I’ve restarted my Homeric studies, I intend to post (some would say “offend” :wink: ) more often.

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Thanks, man. :wink: I should have said a bit more about this topic, but I tend to get riled up about the plain injustices being committed over there. :angry:

Will the insanity never end?!

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When the occupation of the Occupied Territories ends.

You know, the ceasefire—if you can have a ceasefire between the occupier and the occupied!—that was signed in June 2008 was holding even though Israel was not abiding by the ceasefire terms: the lessening of the blockade on the people of Gaza and the cessation of raids into Gaza. Hamas had not fired a single rocket into Israel despite Israeli violations to the agreement. It was only when Israel launched a deadly raid into Gaza (Nov. 2008) that Hamas retaliated with the Qassam rockets. The mainstream press conveniently neglects this important fact. Therefore, Israel not only has the blood of murdered Palestinians on its hands, but the blood of dead Israelis killed by the Qassam rockets—all 4 of them!

Speaking of the mainstream press…

On the Larrry King show the other night, Larry had this clown Alan Dershowitz on to defend the current Israeli war crimes (as if war crimes can ever be defended!). Dershowitz kept railing on and on about how Hamas is to blame for this, that Israel is only defending its citizens, and how any other country would have done the same as Israel. An one point, Dershowitz went off script and mentioned the Israeli occupation. Instead of Larry King seizing on this, he simply snoozed away. He could have asked a no-brainer question like, “Don’t you think, Alan, that the turmoil in Gaza is a result of the occupation—41 years of occupation?” No, he didn’t. The 105-year-old Larry King just snooooooooozed away.

It’s not just CNN. On the front page of The Financial Times there was mention of Israel’s advance in the “Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip”. Why not just say “Gaza Strip”? Why qualify “Gaza” with “Hamas-controlled”? No kidding Hamas controls Gaza—they are the ELECTED government of Gaza. Nobody ever says, for example, “the Republican-controlled United States entered into trade talks…” No, they have to mention Hamas because Hamas to Anglo-American eyes and ears equals terrorism.


Best,


PeterD

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That is disputable. According to some fanatics, the end will come when Israel does not exist.

The agreement gave the right to Israel patrolling the region for not smuggling weapons and all sort of munitions to Gaza. Part of the agreement was also, Palaistinians will not do that. The story is well known. Smuggling weapons and arming the paramilitia, and as long they have enough katushas for the moment, they start launching them. Just to make another show off to the world audience. The old motto is like this “look here, IDF is firing at little kids and innocent people (preferable dead babies, but school boys will do)”. I have a question, why are they using mosques as warehouses for munitions? Is the roof of a school better fitted for launching rockets, than the ground?

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It’s not just CNN. On the front page of > The Financial Times > there was mention of Israel’s advance in the “Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip”. Why not just say “Gaza Strip”? Why qualify “Gaza” with “Hamas-controlled”? No kidding Hamas controls Gaza—they are the ELECTED government of Gaza. Nobody ever says, for example, “the Republican-controlled United States entered into trade talks…” No, they have to mention Hamas because Hamas to Anglo-American eyes and ears equals terrorism.

The proclamation and only purpose of Hamas is to exterminate Israel. This was even officially written in their charta. That’s enough for me to declare them as terrorists. How is it possible to accept Israel to have talks with them. The same happened once with PLO, and they were only recognized the moment they dropped their proclamation. If Israel didn’t invade, Hamas and PLO would end in a civil war, creating more deaths (and among the dead bodies, probably we’ll find also children).

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These Palestinian “fanatics” are no more a threat to Israel’s existence than Canadians or Mexicans are a threat to the existence of United States. Mexicans simply seek work; Canadians just want to make out with California girls, which explains why there are approx. 2,000,000 Canadian expats living in California!

Anyway, this “end of Israel” is cultivated by Zionists, in Israel and abroad, to justify the brutal military occupation of the Palestinian people, AND, more importantly, as a distraction to avoid a just political settlement to the conflict—that is, a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel, and a solution to the refugee problem.

The agreement gave the right to Israel patrolling the region for not smuggling weapons and all sort of munitions to Gaza. Part of the agreement was also, Palaistinians will not do that. The story is well known. Smuggling weapons and arming the paramilitia, and as long they have enough katushas for the moment, they start launching them. Just to make another show off to the world audience.

No, TG.

The ceasefire agreement, signed between Israel and occupied Gaza and brokered by Egypt, began in June 2008. Under the terms of the ceasefire agreement,…

  • Gaza would cease all rocket attacks into Israel;

Israel would lessen the 2-year siege on Gaza;

Israel would HALT ALL MILITARY OPERATIONS in Gaza.

Israel’s military operation on November 4 that killed several Palestinians was a blatant violation of the ceasefire terms. Up until that point, there were no provocations by Hamas—not one Qassam rockect was fired into apartheid Israel. (Btw, TG, it’s “Qassam,” not “Katushas.” The Katushas were used by Hezbollah when Israel invaded Lebanon in 2006. Remember that war crime? Thousands of Lebanese civilians were either killed or maimed by the Israeli “Defense” Forces.) Your assertion that “the agreement gave the right to Israel [to] patrol the region [to prevent] smuggling weapons and all sort of munitions to Gaza” is simply not true. Besides, Israel has never denied that they violated the ceasefire terms—even the Zionists at CNN have acknowledged that Israel was first to violate the ceasefire.

It is true, though, that the Palestinians HAVE been using tunnels for smuggling. That’s because Israel is ALSO IN VIOLATION OF ITS OBLIGATION TO LESSEN THE 2-YEAR SIEGE ON GAZA. This economic strangulation has made life so unbearable for all Palestinians that no kidding there going to resort to “smuggling”—life neccessities like food, medicine, clothing, and, …

… yes, weapons, too! Lest you have forgotten, an occupied people have the right to defend themselves; occupiers have no rights whatsoever, except maybe to self destruct. Hopefully, the Palestinians smuggled plenty of antitank missiles to blow those Israeli tanks to smithereens. But Zionists need not be alarmed. Unlike Israel, the 4th largest military power in the world, courtesy of the American taxpayer, Palestinians possess no air force, no navy, no tanks, no artillery, and… no nukes.

Furthermore, like the invasion of Lebanon in 2006, so, too, was this invasion planned—down to the last bullet, long before any Qassam rockects were ever fired into Israel. Dan Gillerman, Israel’s ambassador to the UN until recently, has admitted as much.

If you have the time, please read the article “Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about” by Israeli Barak Ravid, Haaretz http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050426.html


The old motto is like this “look here, IDF is firing at little kids and innocent people (preferable dead babies, but school boys will do)”.

You figure the death of 42 people in an Israeli attack at a UN-run school in Gaza a couple of days was also a display?

“Look here, IDF is firing at a UN-run school and innocent people …”

C’mon, TG. Even a shitty zionist like Thomas Friedman has reported in the past that Israel bombs indiscriminately! You don’t recall Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon which caused the death of nearly 18,000 cvilians—almost all “little kids” and “innocent people”?

I have a question, why are they using mosques as warehouses for munitions? Is the roof of a school better fitted for launching rockets, than the ground?

Since when is a UN-run school a warehouse for munitions?

Since when is a girls’ dormitory a warehouse for munitions?

Since when are ambulances a warehouse for munitions?

From the International Solodarity Movement (palsolidarity.org), an NGO founded by both Israelis and Palestinians to protest through nonviolent means the occupation of Palestinian land:

In addition to the doctor and medic that the Israeli military murdered on the 31st of December, they have killed four more medics today. One was shot in Jabaliya, one in Al Sheikh Ejleen. Three have just been killed when a missile directly hit their ambulance in the Tal Hawye neighborhood in Gaza City. The medics are constantly in contact with the Red Cross for them to negotiate passage with the Israelis. The Israelis constantly refuse.
Sharon Lock (Australia) – International Solidarity Movement

The Israelis dropped a bomb in front of our ambulance to prevent us accessing wounded people. However a donkey cart emerged carrying a wounded family; a mother and father and three teenage brothers. One of the teenagers was attempting to shield the other two with a blanket. They were both horrifically injured, I could see the lungs of one of them. As I assisted the medics to move him off the cart I found my hand inside his body.
Alberto Arce (Spain) – International Solidarity Movement

Israel has continued to violate international conventions by attacking medical personnel. They are massacring the people of Gaza. With the swelling number of civilian casualties, Israel must ensure that medical assistance is available. Instead, they are intentionally targeting the medical teams that are meant to be protected by the Geneva Conventions. Israel’s disregard for international law must be confronted by the international community.
Vittorio Arrigoni (Italy) – International Solidarity Movement

Please, TG, the “hiding behind civilians” zionist propaganda bit doesn’t cut it any more.

The proclamation and only purpose of Hamas is to exterminate Israel. This was even officially written in their charta. That’s enough for me to declare them as terrorists.

Let me get this straight. Israel kills Palestinians at will, steals their land, steals their resources, humiliates them, and when the Palestinians dare to resist this racist for-Jews-only entity they’re called “terrorists.” Go figure.

And how exactly is Hamas going to destroy the 4th largest milithary power in the world that also has the steadfast support of the largest military power this planet has ever seen, TG, by lobbing pretzels into Israel?

TG, what Hamas has in their charter is beside the point. What’s important is what the Palestinian people want. (Remember: the Palestinian people elected Hamas, the Palestinian people can UNelect Hamas.) And they want to live like human beings, free and proud, in their own state, just like the Israelis, not like caged animals in a zoo as they have been “living” for the last 41 years. The majority of the Palestinian people, as many polls suggest, would accept a two-state solution along the pre-June 1967 borders, including East Jerusalem, with a just solution to the refugee problem. Unfortunately, the United States and Israel have been opposing a viable two-state solution for over 30 years.

How is it possible to [not] accept Israel [and] to have talks with them. The same happened once with PLO, and they were only recognized the moment they dropped their proclamation.

An honest rephrasing of your question would be , “How is it possible for an occupied people to have talks with their occupiers?”

And yet, it is possible. As Chomsky so elegantly put it, “peace talks is between enemies not lovers.” Just like the Vietnamese and Americans sat done to conduct peace talks, so, too, can Hamas or any other elected representive of the Palestinian people sit down with the Israeli government. Once both parties sign on their respective dotted lines and its accepted by both the majority of Palestinians and the majority of Israelis, the rest as they say is history.

For the record, Israel has never recognized the Palestinians’ right to have a state. Never. Now how do like dem apples, TG?


Thank you for your input, TG.



best,

~PeterD

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I am willing to side with Palestinians and give them all the justice, if they were not such stupid people. In another statistic I read that in the last 6 years there were 10 000 Qassam (Katushas or whatever they are called) fired towards Israeli villages, all coming from Gaza. Most of these rockets are just fireworks, not even coming close to the Israeli villages, and less making any damage. So why are they launching them? To provoke the other side, so as the IDF will start killing them. And then, they will show pictures of dead bodies of children. Clever strategy. In my part of this shitty world, in case of a war, we run and give first of all to our offspring secure bomb shelters. This does not happen in Palestine. They command their children to run up and down the streets throwing stones and shouting, while bombs are falling everywhere, and men are hiding in schools and minarets. That’s called human shield. It’s too easy to denounce this all as Zionist propaganda.

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You can’t really be serious, Thomas. You really think the Palestinians (all of them, not just Hamas) are provoking Israel to get themselves killed and then seek the pity of the world? Sheesh.

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I am serious about this. The motivation behind those useless rockets is too obvious to hold any doubts. The same goes about their stupidity. One may start pitying them and accuse those brutal Hebrews, but on the long run, they won’t gain anything other than scratching your head and wondering about their mental health, and if they are worth helping them. Europe spends quite a lot money for financial help and their development (at least Europe did that some years back), and their only concern is how to blow all that money in the air with those useless ridiculous rockets.

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In modern Greek, there is a nice proverb: “Σαν την μαϊμού (Palestinians) που πάει να ξεσκίσει την τίγρη (Israel)!”. Egoistic frustration and anger is a bad adviser to deal with human lives and play politics.

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παραπάτησες , μεγάλε.

The Israeli military has been pimping this outrageous lie for years.

Think about it, my fellow Greek. If this were the case, then why is the Israeli military barring ALL journalists from entering Gaza? Surely they’d want the whole world to witness such a horrid spectacle by the Palestinians, no?

According to U.N. sources, 257 Palestinian children have been killed and over 1000 wounded since Israel’s invasion of Gaza. I doubt very much their parents pushed them into incoming Israeli missiles!

Sheesh indeed, Amadeus.

Thankfully, the Founding Fathers of Greece thought otherwise.

Here’s another modern Greek proverb: Το αγκάθι από μικρό αγκυλώνει.



best,

PeterD


P.S. TG, you made a valid and inciteful point regarding the launching of Qassam rockets into Israel. I’ll comment on it in my next post.

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According to U.N. sources, 257 Palestinian children have been killed and over 1000 wounded since Israel’s invasion of Gaza. I doubt very much their parents pushed them into incoming Israeli missiles!

I have no doubts. The first goal of Hamas should be to provide secure bomb shelters to the children and evacuate the area (at least of the children). They do not. Almost every journalist reports this, after they come back at home and their reports are not censored. They push the children to stay outside, where they do not belong. Instead of blowing those ridiculous qassam, better spend all that money by building bomb shelters. Children die, and this is also Hamas’ fault. It’s not enough to accuse only the Israelis.

My proverb stands also for the Greek Revolution. Had it not been for the Europeans who sided with Greece, for their own motivations and selfish goals and not out of pure love for the Greeks, we would be still throwing stones to the giant Ottoman Empire, whereas the Ottomans would drop bombs with their super-modern F16 on our heads. I don’t think one can compare the Greek revolution with Palestine. But in case one can do this, they should better spend their time studying modern history and history of wars, hoping they might learn something, and not blowing themselves by hijacking airplanes.

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I have said what is to say, one point remains to highlight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umlWYGLixPc&feature=related
I do only oppose Hamas and their sick strategy to peace. They are pure lunatics, that’s all. I object also all the Palestinians who voted those lunatics to govern them. They (the voters) are not innocents, but have their shares to this madness.

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:unamused:

Wow! I can’t believe you posted this link, TG.

Did it occur to you to check the source first? (Sheesh, as Amadeus would say) Palestinian Media Watch (pmw.org) is a pro-Israeli, pro-settlement, pro-occupation, BULLSHIT SITE. Its founder and director is none other than Itamar Marcus—a right wing Israeli settler freak. They don’t get any nuttier than him. The English translation you see printed comes “courtesy” of pmw; it is not reliable.


“There is no humanitarian crisis in the [Gaza] Strip.”

[Bullshit] Source: Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, 1 January 2009.


What can I say, TG, other than “πιάστικες κορόιδο”. Κρήμας… σε είχα για σοβαρό.


best,

~PeterD



p.s. I haven’t forgotten your other points. I’ll eventually comment. It’s just that your link to the freaky pmw site through me for a loop—a “wtf?” loop. :open_mouth:

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Here are some other incorrect translations :laughing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM-XeaIn06g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7nMZOjxyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4zgURMOZ6k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0_ExnR6yxs&feature=related



Don’t have any doubts what will become of these kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3WSb56Uq_w&feature=related
I have no doubts. :wink:

But the most incorrect translation is in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8&feature=related
It makes you cry.