# Sidgwick's First Greek Writer, Exercise 1 **URL:** \ **Category:** Composition Exercises\ **Created:** [August 3, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817 "2025-08-03T20:20:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![onlyafly](https://www.textkit.com/user_avatar/www.textkit.com/onlyafly/32/718_2.png) [@onlyafly](https://www.textkit.com/u/onlyafly)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/1 "2025-08-03T20:20:41Z")
I’m starting out with the exercises for Sidgwick’s First Greek Writer. Any feedback would be appreciated! Below is my translation of Exercise 1: Νῦν μεσημβρία ἐστίν, καὶ ὁ ἥλιος σφόδρα θερμός. Ἡ σκιὰ τῶν δένδρων ψυχρά, καὶ ἡ λίμνη καλή ἐστιν. Ὁρῶ πολλοὺς κύκνους, οἵ τε λαμπροὶ καὶ λευκοί εἰσιν. Ὁ μὲν τράχηλος ἐκείνου τοῦ κύκνου μακρὸς ἐστίν, τὸ δὲ πτερὸν τὸ ἀριστερὸν δοκεῖ μικρὸν εἶναι. Οὐκ οἶδα τὴν αἰτίαν τοῦ αὐτοῦ. Ἴσως κακὴ νόσος ἐστὶν ἐν αὐτῷ τῷ πτερῷ. Ἴσως ὀστέον αὐτοῦ τοῦ κύκνου διερράγη λίθῳ. Μικρὸν πλοῖον ἐπι τῆς λίμνης ἔστιν. ---
**Author:** ![katalogon](https://www.textkit.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@katalogon](https://www.textkit.com/u/katalogon)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 12:44am UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/2 "2025-08-04T00:44:04Z")
A few things jumped out when I looked at this. 1. οἵ τε λαμπροὶ καὶ λευκοί εἰσιν. It looks like you are trying to use a τε X καὶ Y pattern, which I don’t think is correct. You could use an X τε καὶ Y pattern instead (and change the relative pronoun to οἱ without accent). 2. τοῦ κύκνου μακρὸς ἐστίν. Change to μακρός ἐστιν. 3. Μικρὸν πλοῖον ἐπι τῆς λίμνης ἔστιν. Change ἔστιν to ἐστίν. 4. τὴν αἰτίαν τοῦ αὐτοῦ. Maybe use τὴν αἰτίαν τούτου (the cause of this)? ---
**Author:** ![katalogon](https://www.textkit.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@katalogon](https://www.textkit.com/u/katalogon)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/3 "2025-08-04T00:53:33Z")
I meant to say for point 1 to change the acute accent to grave on the relative pronoun (οἳ). ---
**Author:** ![mwh](https://www.textkit.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@mwh](https://www.textkit.com/u/mwh)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/4 "2025-08-04T01:00:53Z")
Supplementary to katalogon: ἐν αὐτῷ τῷ πτερῷ is “in the wing itself.” Perhaps this is right, but I’d have expected “in this wing” (ἐν τούτῳ τῷ πτ.). And your following αὐτοῦ τοῦ κύκνου (“of the swan itself’) I expect should be τούτου τοῦ κ. or just τοῦ κ. If you’re going to do more of these I suggest you give the English, which I don’t have. ---
**Author:** ![paveln](https://www.textkit.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@paveln](https://www.textkit.com/u/paveln)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 11:19am UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/5 "2025-08-04T11:19:44Z")
Here is english text: > **[A first Greek writer, with exercises. \[With\] Key : Arthur Sidgwick : Free...](https://archive.org/details/afirstgreekwrit01sidggoog/page/66/mode/2up)** > > Book digitized by Google from the library of Oxford University and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb. And here is key: > **[A first Greek writer, with exercises. \[With\] Key : Arthur Sidgwick : Free...](https://archive.org/details/afirstgreekwrit00sidggoog/page/n10/mode/2up)** > > Book digitized by Google from the library of Oxford University and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb. ---
**Author:** ![mwh](https://www.textkit.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@mwh](https://www.textkit.com/u/mwh)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/6 "2025-08-04T13:40:47Z")
A look at Sidgwick’s version—thanks to paveln—confirms our various corrections to the OP’s attempt. But it has an odd mistake. In the third sentence the printed version has οἱ, the definite article. It ought to be οἲ, the relative. These pesky diacritics are a constant source of trouble. ---
**Author:** ![onlyafly](https://www.textkit.com/user_avatar/www.textkit.com/onlyafly/32/718_2.png) [@onlyafly](https://www.textkit.com/u/onlyafly)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 5:53pm UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/7 "2025-08-04T17:53:35Z")
Thanks for the help, @katalogon, @mwh, and @paveln. Much appreciated. Your corrections are clear. One area I feel that I have gaps in my knowledge is around diacritics. Any recommended resources for learning the rules of diacritics better? ---
**Author:** ![mwh](https://www.textkit.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/6f9a4e/32.png) [@mwh](https://www.textkit.com/u/mwh)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://www.textkit.com/t/sidgwicks-first-greek-writer-exercise-1/30817/8 "2025-08-04T19:32:21Z")
Breathings (rough and smooth) are relatively straightforward (but only relatively). Accents (acute, grave, and circumflex) are quite complicated, though the basic principles are simple enough. Probert’s Short Guide is the thing to use. Quantity marks (short and long) are also sometimes found. Any given vowel will be one or the other. Various other diacritics are used in ancient manuscripts, but are not in modern use.