North and Hilllard Prose Composition

[bedwere]

@Ursinus

Bedwere, I do not see my mistake in 5 (if you are supposing that I messed up the sequence of tenses). Though I used a different word than N&H-- and perhaps that’s the problem you’re referring to-- I have the same sequence of tenses as they do. Moreover, they made a note in the section that in result clauses which have a secondary (historical) sequence in the main clause, (unlike purpose clauses) nevertheless may still have a perfect subjunctive in the result clause in the case that the result is “momentary” rather than continuous (vid. footnote on pg. .

If you want to use the perfect subjunctive, it’s fine with me. But you should still check the spelling of the past participle.

@Ursinus

Exercise 7[A]:

1. We were so tired that we remained in the plain.
2. Are you strong enough to defeat the enemy?
3. The snow was so deep that we did not set out, but remained in the camp.
4. He has said this so often that now I am weary.
5. So numerous were the enemy that they easily took the city.
6. The tree was so high that it fell, and lay on the ground.
7. We were not brave enough to return to the battle.
8. Such was his courage that all men praised him, and wished to follow him.
9. He has done this so easily that he is not tired.
10. These trees were of such a kind that we could not climb them.

My Latin:

1. Tam fessi eramus ut in campo maneremus.
2. Esne satis fortis ut hostes vincas?
3. Tam alta nix [verbum ] ut non proficisceremur sed in castris maneremus.
4. Toties hoc dixit ut iam defessus sim.
5. Tot hostes erant ut facile urbem ceperit.
6. Tam alta arbor erat ut ceciderit et humi iaceret.
7. Non satis fortes eramus ut in pugnam rediremus.
8. Talis erat ejus fortitudo ut omnes eum laudarent vellentque eum sequi.
9. Tam facile hoc fecit ut non defessus sit.
10. Hae arbores tales erant ut non eas ascendere possemus.

[Ursinus]

Mea culpa, mi amice! Also, that was actually supposed to be a page number but Textkit decided it was going to be a smiley!

[Ursinus]

Exercise 8**:

1. Let us work in such a way that all men may praise us.
2. So many soldiers had arrived that the camp was full.
3. We have crossed the sea so often that we do not fear storms.
4. He asked me so often that I gave him the book.
5. The forces of the enemy are so great that we cannot despise them.
6. We were so greatly terrified that we all fled.
7. So many men were killed that we did not fight again.
8. They are such cowards (so cowardly) as not to dare to return to battle.
9. We are strong enough to save you.
10. We were not strong enough to fight against them.
11. They are so strong that they are always willing to work, and do not become weary.
    
    My Latin:
12. Ita laboremus ut omnes nos laudent.
13. Tot milites advenit ut plena castra essent.
14. Toties trans mare transivimus ut non tempestates metueamus.
15. Toties rogavit ut librum ei dederit.
16. Tantae hostium copiae sunt ut non eos dispicere non possimus.
17. Adeo territi eramus ut effugeremus.
18. Tot homines occisi sunt ut non iterum pugnaremus.
19. Tam ignavi sunt ut non in proelium redire audeant.
20. Satis validi sumus ut in eos pugnemus.
21. Satis validi non errant ut contra eos pugnaremus.
22. Tam validi sunt ut laborare semper velint neque defessi fiant.
    
    Corrections:
23. Toties trans mare transivimus ut non tempestates metuamus.
24. Toties me rogavit ut librum ei dederim.
25. Adeo territi eramus ut omnes fugeremus.
26. Satis validi sumus ut te servemus.
27. Satis validi non erramus ut contra eos pugnaremus.**

[bedwere]

@Ursinus

Exercise 8b:

1. Let us work in such a way that all men may praise us.
2. So many soldiers had arrived that the camp was full.
3. We have crossed the sea so often that we do not fear storms.
4. He asked me so often that I gave him the book.
5. The forces of the enemy are so great that we cannot despise them.
6. We were so greatly terrified that we all fled.
7. So many men were killed that we did not fight again.
8. They are such cowards (so cowardly) as not to dare to return to battle.
9. We are strong enough to save you.
10. We were not strong enough to fight against them.
11. They are so strong that they are always willing to work, and do not become weary.

My Latin:

1. Ita laboremus ut omnes nos laudent.
2. Tot milites advenit ut plena castra essent.
3. Toties trans mare transivimus ut non tempestates metueamus.
4. Toties rogavit ut librum ei dederit.
5. Tantae hostium copiae sunt ut non eos dispicere non possimus.
6. Adeo territi eramus ut effugeremus.
7. Tot homines occisi sunt ut non iterum pugnaremus.
8. Tam ignavi sunt ut non in proelium redire audeant.
9. Satis validi sumus ut in eos pugnemus.
10. Satis validi non errant ut contra eos pugnaremus.
11. Tam validi sunt ut laborare semper velint neque defessi fiant.

5. Toties me rogavit

[mwh]

Also
4 dederim
6 “all,” and fled not escaped
9 conflated with 10
10 Errare humanum est.

You have the grammar down. Mistakes are due to carelesssness.

[Ursinus]

Mwh, thanks again for the corrections. I’m sorry about the carelessness. I’ll try to avoid some of it.

[Ursinus]

I made sure to check for glaring errors this time before I posted. I’m sure I still erred, however. Let me know what you guys think.

Exercise 9**1. The tree was so high that it fell.
2. The sea is so great that we cannot cross it.
3. Will the snow be so deep that we cannot set out?
4. The sailors were so terrified that they left the ship.
5. He was so brave that he crossed the sea, and returned home.
6. The hill is so high that we cannot climb it.
7. The boys were so idle that I did no praise them.
8. He is so brave that he ought to be praised.
9. Such was his courage that all men praised him.
10. The island is of such a kind that I do not wish to see it.
11. They worked so well that they became rich, and were praised by all.

My Latin:

1. Arbor tam alta erat ut ceciderit.
2. Tantum est mare ut trans eum transire non possimus.
3. Nixne tam alta erit ut proficisci non possimus.
4. Nautae adeo territi erant ut navem reliquerint.
5. Tam fortis erat ut trans mare transivit et domum redivit.
6. Collis tam altus est ut eum ascendere non possimus.
7. Pueri tam ignavi erant ut non eos laudarem.
8. Tam fortis est ut laudari debeat.
9. Talis ejus fortitudo erat ut omnes eum laudarent.
10. Insula talis est ut eam videre nolim.
11. Tam bene laborabant ut divites fierent et ab omnibus lauderentur.
    
    Feel free to be harsh on the critiques.
    
    Corrections:
12. Tantum est mare ut id transire non possimus.
13. Nixne tam alta erit ut proficisci non possimus?
14. Tam fortis erat ut mare transiret et domum rediret.
15. Pueri tam ignavi erant ut eos non laudarem.**

[bedwere]

@Ursinus

I made sure to check for glaring errors this time before I posted. I’m sure I still erred, however. Let me know what you guys think.

Exercise 9b

1. The tree was so high that it fell.
2. The sea is so great that we cannot cross it.
3. Will the snow be so deep that we cannot set out?
4. The sailors were so terrified that they left the ship.
5. He was so brave that he crossed the sea, and returned home.
6. The hill is so high that we cannot climb it.
7. The boys were so idle that I did no praise them.
8. He is so brave that he ought to be praised.
9. Such was his courage that all men praised him.
10. The island is of such a kind that I do not wish to see it.
11. They worked so well that they became rich, and were praised by all.

My Latin:

1. Arbor tam alta erat ut ceciderit.
2. Tantum est mare ut trans eum transire non possimus.
3. Nixne tam alta erit ut proficisci non possimus.
4. Nautae adeo territi erant ut navem reliquerint.
5. Tam fortis erat ut trans mare transivit et domum redivit.
6. Collis tam altus est ut eum ascendere non possimus.
7. Pueri tam ignavi erant ut non eos laudarem.
8. Tam fortis est ut laudari debeat.
9. Talis ejus fortitudo erat ut omnes eum laudarent.
10. Insula talis est ut eam videre nolim.
11. Tam bene laborabant ut divites fierent et ab omnibus lauderentur.

Feel free to be harsh on the critiques.

[mwh]

2. trans eum: (1) better without trans (transeo can be transitive)—again in 5. (2) gender of mare?
3. Nixne requires question mark.
4. You forgot you need subjunctives?
5. Better word order ut eos non laudarem. Put non before the word it applies to.

[Timothée]

Don’t use the letter j in Latin.

Disambiguating between v and u is a slightly mooter point. There’s discrepancy between German and British traditions: e.g. ThlL still makes the difference (because old habits die hard), OLD doesn’t. I recommend here the OLD custom, which corresponds to the ancient custom better: u in all lower case (gemena), V in all upper case (versal).

Iui vs. ii: use the forms of the perfect stem iu- only for stylistic reasons (archaising or poetic style). For more general usage is the shorter stem i- (ii, isti, iit eqs.). The stem īu- is analogical formation on the basis of audiui uel similia, used mainly for metrical reasons.