LL II Cp XXXVI

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Salvete

These are two sentences which I’m not sure I have understood:

229 - nova opera marmorea aedificavit ut jure > gloriatus sit marmoream se relinquere urbem quam latericiam accepisset

so that… he could say gloriously he left a city (made) of marble, which he had accepted (made) of bricks

363 - Juppiter, arce sua cum totum spectat in orbem,
nil nisi romanum quod tueatur habet

“He has nothing, unless it’s roman, becase watches nothing, unless it’s roman.” with nil nisi romanum feeding both verbs?!

What is it supposed to mean?!

Also, how have you used/are using this 2nd volume? The first one I read each chapter several times, then head to the exercises, which took me 1-2 chapters per day. After I finished, because my memory is (dementiously) poor, because I wanted to check my answers cautiously, and because I wanted to pratice my writing and my memory, I copied the whole book by hand, 1 chapter per day, which worked fine. However, these volume’s chapters are too long to attempted this scheme. Anyone care to share your methods? ^^

valete

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I tried retyping them for a while, but they became too long, so I satisfied myself with just recording them and listening to them in the car.

nil nisi romanum quod tueatur habet

He has nothing unless what he should see be Roman.

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Salve, Terti Roberte!

Correct, except I would prefer “received” rather than “accepted”

363 - Juppiter, arce sua cum totum spectat in orbem,
nil nisi romanum quod tueatur habet

This verse is so confusing! My interpretation is: Jupiter… sees nothing but what has the (name) Roman, i.e., everything is Roman.

After I finished, because my memory is (dementiously) poor, because I wanted to check my answers cautiously, and because I wanted to pratice my writing and my memory, I copied the whole book by hand, 1 chapter per day, which worked fine. However, these volume’s chapters are too long to attempted this scheme. Anyone care to share your methods?

I initially just read the second volume without stopping for analysis or the exercises. Not so much because I was lazy, but because I got hooked on the plot. It went well for about 3 chapters. After that there were so many new words that I had to go back to previous chapters time and time again in order to make sense of the reading. Upon reaching chapter XLV, I decided to start all over again. Let this be a lesson to all newbies. Now I study one lectio (not a chapter, mind you, but one lectio) each day by reading and re-reading it until I can recite a few lines by memory (not all, of course) and then do the exercitia in the Workbook. Right now I’m in chapter XL and everything is going smoothly… or at least, smoothli_er_ .
If anyone has a different, more effective method, please share it. :wink:

Hope I was of help, Robert!

P.S.: Btw, wouldn’t it be better to stick with posting questions about this book in the other thread? Just a suggestion.

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ad lucum

He has nothing unless what he should see be Roman.

I’m still confused. What this “he has nothing” means ? (I’m sorry, for I should have explained that I had not understood the Juppiter nil habet, besides the whole constuction)

also, if the quod be a relative, why is it followed by a subjunctive?

so I satisfied myself with just recording them and listening to them in the car.

oh! I’ll definetelly try this! :open_mouth:

ad amadeum

Correct, except I would prefer “received” rather than “accepted”

Great!

Jupiter… > sees > nothing but what has the (name) Roman, i.e., everything is Roman.

but tueatur is subjunctive, and is completed by the quod, which is why I thought it be causal.

After that there were so many new words that I had to go back to previous chapters time and time again in order to make sense of the reading.

It’s pretty much what happened to me in the first reaading of the 1st volume. I saw myself moving back and foward to retrive perfecti forms, and prepositional usages, not to mention words used thrice or twice. The copywork do handle these problems, however, I will only try it again if all else fails. ^^

Now I study one lectio (not a chapter, mind you, but one lectio) each day by reading and re-reading it until I can recite a few lines by memory (not all, of course)

How do you handle the abrupt cut of narrative, when they happen? I mean, they are too tighted together to stop in the middle of the reading.

and then do the exercitia in the Workbook

I was very curious about the workbooks, qhat to they have to offer?

P.S.: Btw, wouldn’t it be better to stick with posting questions about this book in the other thread? Just a suggestion.

I didn’t want to steal the thread. :wink:

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You are very polite! :smiley:

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Salve, Terti Roberte!

The ‘nil nisi’ is a double negation, which is quite common in Latin literature to emphasize the opposite, i.e.: “everything”.

Mea opinione, the subjunctive in the relative clause with ‘tueatur’ has what is sometimes called a ‘defining’ character:

Juppiter has nothing except [for what is] Roman, which [is of such a nature that] he sees/looks after.

The words in the brackets are not actually present in the Latin, but help in converting it to English.

Valeto,

Iulianus

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I completely overlooked that. Hmmm… then I guess I don’t know. :blush:

How do you handle the abrupt cut of narrative, when they happen? I mean, they are too tighted together to stop in the middle of the reading.

I just suck it up. :laughing: There’s really no other way around it for me. If you realy loose track of the narrative, just do a fast reading of the previous lectio, which you should already know 100% or 90%.

I was very curious about the workbooks, qhat to they have to offer?

These workbooks are excellent. I couldn’t do it without them. In them you can exercise the vocabulary learned in each lectio (with “fill in the blanks”); convert passive sentences into active and vice versa; learn the meaning of some ablatives (e.g., the ablative limitationis, etc.); get asked many more questions about the plot… Mea sententia, you should get the Exercitia.

I didn’t want to steal the thread. > :wink:

Oh, you aren’t stealing anything. It’s not like I own it. I’m merely suggesting that, for the benefit of other LL students, everything about LL should be in one place and not scattered all over the place. Of course, you can do anything you want. :wink:

Cura ut valeas!