I can’t agree with that. Hillary can’t win the south or midwest if the republicans put up a decent candidate (meaning not Giuliani). And if she was elected, we would never get her out of office…she would dissolve the government and have herself declared queen…and can you imagine Bill in the White House with nothing to do…can you say “look out female interns”
Of particular interest to me in presidential races are how the “fringe” candidates can guide the discourse within parties. Ron Paul may not poll well among Republican likely voters who have a land line, are not on the Do Not Call list, and are available in the evenings, but you can see that his contrary libertarian policies are making some Republicans actually have to explain themselves in certain cases. He is the darling of the internet, and raised more cash than John McCain this summer. I like Paul because he makes things interesting.
This is a very interesting election in general (though I do agree with Annis’ sentiments in general). There is no heir apparent, so the nomination is wide open for both parties for the first time in a long time, Add to that the fact that the Republican “family values” party’s front-runner Rudy is quite the opposite of the “family values” positions.
Then you have Bill Richardson on the Dem side. He is a Southern Governor, so he already has a pretty good shot. If I remember correctly, the NRA has given him, a Democrat, their highest rating of anyone in the field. Now that is not typical these days.
It is very likely that the Dems will put forth a Black, woman, or Hispanic candidate for the first time among “major” parties. Given the current situation with the Republican party, that may translate into a likely win for such a minority.
I told my friend Hans the other day that I am going to pop a bowl of popcorn, grab a soda, sit on the coach and take this very entertaining cycle in. 
Now forgive me for even asking, but the internet has made all things possible: Are you speaking with tongue-in-cheek, or do you actually think that a Clinton presidency will signal the end of the republic?
Both really. I think she is that arrogant. Beyond that, her policies (tax and spend socialism) will lead us down the path to communism. Maybe to the point that we cannot ever recover.
Well that is some sensationalist rhetoric. Here is where things may get flamey: While Hillary is a Tax and Spend Democrat, I much prefer that to a Spend Republican (with respect to Bush’s deficit).
Fine, I agree that hillary may declare herself queen. But, there isnt a decent candidate in the republican camp. Nobody is raising the kind of money that the dems are so basically, its game over.
Oh boy, whats next, an invasion by the chinese, i mean bararians…
–that wasnt a racist remark–just a commical statement out of who would most likely try and take us down w/ force.
Well, the chinese do have a history of trying to influence our elections with monetary contributions to the Clintons. Both Bill and Hillary have been caught accepting “shady” contributions. Unless I am mistaken, this is illegal but neither of the Clintons were prosecuted…I can’t help but wonder what would have happened it had been a republican who got caught.
You may be right…but I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hope that you are not.
Hillary will probably win the whole thing (though it will be without my vote), but it could be worse – at least she’s not John Edwards.
I’ve been predicting all along that Obama is really running for Vice President. I think he’d be hard-pressed to win the general election with his lack of experience, but if he could get the VP spot for 4 (or, ugh, 8) years, then most of his nay-sayers will be out of ammunition. If he can make a good enough showing in the primaries, then Hillary will have to choose him.
But, if ever I were to be wrong, this would be the best time. If people get to know Fred he may have a chance yet.
Fred Thompson is the only Republican in the field that can beat Hillary!!
Why do we even bother having elections? We elected one guy president in 2000, and the other guy seized power anyway. There was no rebellion, so democracy is a dead letter in this country.
As long as dirt votes instead of people (All the red on the map vs. the blue; the blue is where the people are, but with the Electoral College, it’s land that votes,) electing a Democratic president will be impossible.
The Republicans were complaining that some of the recounts in Florida violated the sacred “One Man, One Vote” principle because they might make someone’s vote in a predominantly Democratic district count for 1.0001 vote, or something like that, but apparently getting 2.4 votes in the presidential election if you live in New Hampshire, and .85 votes if you live in California, doesn’t.
Personally, I would love to see Hillary Clinton president, but I think there are just enough troglodytes in this country who wouldn’t vote for a woman to make that impossible. Fred Thompson is obviously qualified to be president because he’s been in a couple of movies; Reagan proved that’s all it takes!
I’m not sure the republicans are completely dead in the water, although they haven’t been raising the money the democrats have.
As far as Hillary goes…my biggest concern is how well she will deal with many in the Arabic world who have little to no respect for women.
Personally I think Hillary would make a much better President than her husband did. While I disagree with her on many of the issues, she is a very bright woman, and incredibly savvy.
Do you really think that she can be a good president? Being better than Bill would not be that hard but he had something she does not…the ability to assess a situation and adjust accordingly. She is too arrogant to be able to do this and I think in then end that will be her downfall.
I think it was Rush or Mark Levin who made the point that she has never been successful at anything on any level. Everything that she has ever tried has be a huge failure. The most glaring example of that is the socialized medical system she and bill tried to implement when he first took office. Here in Tennessee we have the “pilot” program of that which was supposed to show how well it works…well let me just say it has been a budget black hole. It is on its way to bankrupting our state.
No matter her personal IQ, she will be a disaster for our country. I just hope that enough people realize that before the election so we can stop her from being elected. If she is elected, especially with a democrat controlled House and Senate I am not sure if we will ever be able to recover.
What exactly are Hillary’s qualifications, besides having once been married to a President and serving less time in the Senate than Thompson?
Also, is voting for someone solely because she is a woman just as bad as not voting for someone for the same reason? I’m sure the PC crowd will out in force during the general election to declare that anyone who doesn’t vote for her is a misogynist, while any one who does, is doing so based upon her merits.
You keep mentioning that Hillary is arrogant. How do you know that? Have you met her?
First I have to say, that even as a Republican, I can’t stand Rush. I think he’s a loudmouth who likes to pontificate. He has virtually no credibility in my opinion.
Second…how can you say Hillary has never been successful at anything on any level? Hmmmmm…let’s see. She was a pretty good lawyer, made a ton of money in a private firm…if memory serves right, she made more money when Bill was in office than he did. She also seemed to run and win a senate race, no minor accomplishment, especially since she was viewed as a carpetbagger by a large percentage of her current constituent. Finally, how about her marriage? Bill has done more of his fair share of things to get his butt divorced. She had every reason to leave him and clean him out, but she hung in there. That speaks to me quite a bit about her character.
Don’t get me wrong…I’m not a big fan of Hillary, what I’m saying is, we could do a lot worse. Plus, I do think a Hillary/Obama pres/vp card would be very historic. Can you imagine a woman and a black man in the white house? Granted, they do not share my ideology, but it is way past time to have both of these minorities in top leadership positions.
As far as Fred goes…Arvid made the crack that he’s qualified to be pres since he is an actor! That made me chuckle. All things said and done, it does help to command a good stage presence when faced with the office. This is, quite frankly, one of the things the Bill did best. He really knew how to hold himself and present himself in very difficult situations. Fred just plain looks presidential, which for many people will be more than enough reason to vote for him. I’d lay my money right now on him getting the nomination.
There’s also a bit of a Cincinnatus air about him, which I think will appeal to many people. When he left the senate he would have easily been re-elected to a third term, but he chose to return to his regular life. Personally, I don’t think career politicians are a great thing, and often the person who’s whole life is about getting the job isn’t necessarily the best one for it.
I don’t know if I’m going to survive this election campaign. This will be my last post to this thread, however, because sooner or later I’d say something that would get me banned from the forum. I’m going to try to avoid reading it, too, because whenever I even think about the right-wing cabal that has hijacked my country I start literally foaming at the mouth and sooner or later I’m going to give myself a stroke.
The tragedy is that they’ve managed to roll back a century and a half of progress in a few short years, and I know that I’ll never live long enough to see the damage repaired even if they were all thrown out and the Republican party outlawed tomorrow. I keep hoping they’ll dig themselves a deep enough hole that they could never dig their way out again, but apparently there are still people willing to vote for a Republican even now. It’s beyond my comprehension, and I’m going to take some Pepto-Bismol and work on my Greek. Sorry to vent like this, but I promise it’s the last time.
Thompson was a tool - always has been and always will be. Nixon’s transcripts about using the stubborn Republican showed just how stupid Thompson is. Not to mention hypocritical as well - Christian? Yeah right. Anti-Communist? Not after he publicly boasted of smoking the finest (illegal) Cuban cigars, which he doesn’t want anyone else purchasing.
Thompson would ruin the country. The only person running worse than Thompson is Ron Paul.