truks
February 15, 2024, 8:46am
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IreneY:
This is the short preface at the beginning: "This Compact Greek Vocabulary contains about 2500 of the most frequently used words of Classical Greek.
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Hi, I know this is an extreme long-shot given this was posted nearly 20 years ago, but I’m very interested in collecting information on Greek pedagogy and this list sounds valuable while being extremely hard to obtain! If by any chance you still have a copy, please do let me know.
If you’re simply looking for the commonest 2,500 words in Greek, you should consider more readily accessible resources like Campbell in conjunction with Bullick’s list for drama together with/after a standard textbook like Mastronarde, which presents almost exclusively high-frequency vocabulary. There’s probably some overlap, but these together will certainly bring you close to that number.
I’m not - I like to gather rare pedagogical materials like this for collector’s purposes.
bedwere
February 16, 2024, 5:46pm
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FYI, I added a link to libraries that have the book.
What are you basing this on? Philologic is far more sophisticated and offers the user ways of searching the Perseus data that aren’t remotely possible elsewhere (e.g. on the Perseus website at Tufts or Scaife). A random example – find all instances of the aorist optative spoken by Neoptolemus in the Philoctetes.
The frequency lists generated by Philologic are also far more accurate since the data have been disambiguated, whereas the Perseus vocabulary tool at Tufts very often has to make guesses (cf. the weightings it generates), resulting in large numbers of lemmata that don’t actually occur in a given text or author or at far higher frequencies than actually do occur.
My advice is read the manual.
? I explained how to do exactly this in Philologic in my first post in this thread:
Alternatively, you can generate one list based on all his works by clicking on ‘frequency tables’ at the top of the page (or use this link: https://anastrophe.uchicago.edu/perseus/GreekFrequency.html ). Enter Epictetus as your author, then specify ‘Lemma’ in the ‘Search by’ dropdown box.
I’ve mentioned both methods , as some may want lists per work or per author, depending on what they’re reading, have already read, etc.
I add that it’s customary for new members to introduce themselves on this forum before posting as a matter of courtesy.
Note however that enter Author and Title without the single quotation marks shown to the right of the box…
What are you basing this on? Philologic is far more sophisticated and offers the user ways of searching the Perseus data that aren’t remotely possible elsewhere (e.g. on the Perseus website at Tufts or Scaife). A random example – find all instances of the aorist optative spoken by Neoptolemus in the Philoctetes.
The frequency lists generated by Philologic are also far more accurate since the data have been disambiguated, whereas the Perseus vocabulary tool at Tufts very often has to make guesses (cf. the weightings it generates), resulting in large numbers of lemmata that don’t actually occur in a given text or author or at far higher frequencies than actually do occur.
My advice is read the manual.
? I explained how to do exactly this in Philologic in my first post in this thread:
Alternatively, you can generate one list based on all his works by clicking on ‘frequency tables’ at the top of the page (or use this link: https://anastrophe.uchicago.edu/perseus/GreekFrequency.html ). Enter Epictetus as your author, then specify ‘Lemma’ in the ‘Search by’ dropdown box.
I’ve mentioned both methods , as some may want lists per work or per author, depending on what they’re reading, have already read, etc.
I add that it’s customary for new members to introduce themselves on this forum before posting as a matter of courtesy.
This page looks very useful: https://anastrophe.uchicago.edu/perseus/Greek.html
A puzzle: I can’t find any way of getting to it from the Home Page for Perseus under Philologic: https://perseus.uchicago.edu
So thanks for the link!
truks
February 22, 2024, 6:45am
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You’re welcome
That’s right – the links I originally posted are to Philologic 3, which is apparently still being kept alive despite what the home page says, as all the functionality has yet to be ported to Philologic 4 (just my guess). Not sure how long 3 will remain online, though.
These are fantastic tools, thanks for sharing. I would just say though I’ve tried using the Philologic tools for Lucian but neither returns any works but just say ‘No documents found matching specified bibliographic criteria’. And when I use the Perseus vocabulary tool for (say) Gallus (by Lucian), it doesn’t seem to offer an option to analyse the whole work, but just (short) section by section (no doubt because I can’t get Perseus to display the entire work on one scrollable page, like it’s possible with some other works/authors).
