As Roger says on Rent: “You can’t quietly wipe out an entire city then watch ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’ on TV.” You’ve been harsh and unreasonable to me so many times that I’m shocked that you could really say “no hard feelings” to me. There has never been and will never be respect between us. We’re way past that. It’s interesting, however, that your personality on this specific forum seems to be tempered with something that doesn’t appear on CARM. Why can’t you even attempt decency there?
Hi JaiHare,
I’m really sorry if I’ve hurt your feelings in the past, whatever it was, it was not purposefully done. Please accept my apologies. Also, I will say this as gently as I can, – but IMHO you have been far more “harsh” with me than I’ve been with you. But I hold no ill feeling towards you, and am completely at peace with you . Please have the same attitude towards me. I will continue to speak truthfully, firmly and if necessary, yes, even a little “harshly” .
So, let me be clear with your peaceful intentions… it is NEVER either necessary or acceptable for you to be “harsh” in your approach to me. You’ve been nothing but the epitome of an internet troll since I’ve had dealings with you online. If you’re truly committed to letting bygones be bygones, then it must apply to both forums - and you must demonstrate a change in how you address people. It is a Christian maxim that you must love your enemies. I reject that maxim and believe in holding those who treat you badly in contempt and forgiving no one who isn’t sincere.
Hi Jaihare,
Please do not get upset if I counsel you to practice what you preach. In this regard, I suggest that you meditate upon the verse in your signature portion, which summarizes all of the law. Part of loving your neighbour is in not slandering them.
καὶ ἀγαπήσεις τὸν πλησίον σου ὡς σεαυτόν· ἐγώ εἰμι κύριος.
Leviticus 19:18b
Be at peace,
If someone is a scoundrel and you call them a scoundrel, it is not slander. I call it like I experience it. Slander is laying blame at the foot of an innocent person. You are not innocent.
Hi Jaihare,
But who are you to judge another ? Shall we not leave all judgment to God ? None of us is “innocent.” Please do not be self-righteous.
I am quite disappointed that you no longer subscribe to what is declared in your signature . Would you please [therefore] remove Leviticus 19:18b from your signature portion. I’m not asking you to do this out of anger or spite, but out of respect for that verse.
I shall be a little “firm” and warn you (simply because I care for you) that the following is diametrically in conflict with the word of God: " It is a Christian maxim that you must love your enemies.I reject that maxim and believe in holding those who treat you badly in contempt and forgiving no one who isn’t sincere." It is something Nietzsch, Crowley and Lavey would say.
Would you please reconsider ? If you do what is right, will God not accept you ?
My name is Jason, as in my signature. “jaihare” means “Jai Hare” or “Jason Hare.” Please, call me Jason.
I cannot leave judgment to God. That would, in my mind, mean leaving judgment to no one, since I do not believe that any gods exist.
I do indeed love my neighbor as myself and have the greatest respect for mankind. I am a humanist in every respect, believing in the essential greatness of being a human being. However, I do not believe that evil people deserve respect, and I refuse to respect those who do not show respect to wicked people. You have, in my experience of your posts over the past couple of years, demonstrated nothing but wickedness in your approach to other people on forums - hence my repulsion at your very presence on a forum. If you change your ways, will you not receive respect and acceptance? Of course you would. But I will not show any respect to a reprehensible Internet character.
Again, you don’t quite understand that whatever is “diametrically opposed to” the Bible doesn’t matter to me. I find the basis of my morality outside of the Bible and even find the Bible an awful example if we were really looking for a place to put our trust and to develop a rational argument for moral behavior.
In the Bible, God accepts people who do not do what is right. For example, Josiah - who murdered an untold number of people - was considered righteous. I don’t accept that.
Hi Jason,
Could you please furnish evidence to show why you think I’m “evil” and “wicked” ? Please consider the following:
ἐπηρώτων δὲ αὐτὸν καὶ στρατευόμενοι λέγοντες Τί ποιήσωμεν καὶ ἡμεῖς; καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Μηδένα διασείσητε > μηδὲ συκοφαντήσητε> , καὶ ἀρκεῖσθε τοῖς ὀψωνίοις ὑμῶν.
Luke 3:14
I’m saddned to say this, but IMHO you have taken upon yourself the role of my Accuser. Please change your attitude. I will pray for you in this regard, and continue to hope only for the best for you. I truly have no grudge, “hatred” or ill will towards you. I do suspect however that you’re hurting , are terribly conflicted, and seek a semblance of peace. But I’ll be blunt, without God, that’s hard, if not impossible. Please acknowledge his existence, fear him and repent, if you seek true rest.
I will only say that I have known Markos online, and his religious opinions - as different as they are from my own - have never been an issue. I do not take issue with people’s personal opinions or what they believe. You are one of a very few list of online personalities that I cannot tolerate - because of how you have treated people so frequently on CARM. You make it routine to attack people and denigrate them. If you don’t think that’s the case, it only shows how little are aware of your own behavior, and that’s just sad.
Jason,
You have made some serious accusations. I humbly and gently ask again-- would you please support your accusations.
Anyone who cares to visit the Biblical Languages forum on CARM will see how you have related to nearly every poster there. I’m not alone in my opinion or what I have experienced as the result of your abusive nature.
Jason.
Again, could you please provide an example ? – show us my most “abusive” post at Carm. I’m calling your bluff, with some sadness.
Next post, I will print out some of your “abusive” posts for all to see. You leave me little choice. I’m giving you fair warning.
And now we come to the entire point of your ‘request’ for an example. You keep links to posts that you bring up later. I do not. I would have to search the forum to find examples, and the juiciest were reported and removed from the forum - which often resulted in your being suspended from the forum.
Have I said that I have nothing but hate for you? Yes. Have I stated that you’re a troll and add nothing of worth to the forum? Yes. Would I stand by every foul word that I’ve sent your way in the heat of my anger - even now in my coolness of temper? Yes. You are certainly the least worthwhile person I’ve ever had the displeasure of running into online. That doesn’t change, no matter what forum you end up following me to.
Jameson,
If you cannot defend your accusations then you must not accuse . There are infact no “juicy” posts of mine which have been [conveniently] “removed” by the moderators. Why would they remove my “abusive” posts and leave yours intact ? You’re not speaking truthfully. And you have been “banned” many times at Carm. , by your own admission.
You have forced my hand, dear friend . I do the following with a heavy heart. Here are some examples of the abuse which you have heaped on the relatively powerless minorities at Carm., that is, upon Unitarians (like myself) , on the JWs and on others, while at the same time currying favour with the powers that be there, namely the Trinitarian majority. I’ve not furnished the worse …
Jameson;
“Yes, I would say that over the past year or so that we’ve been interacting here, I’ve developed a > pretty strong sense of hate for you> . That would probably be accurate enough. The > thinking > presented in your posts > turns my stomach> . > It’s absolutely repulsive> , and I’m sad to think that a person exists in the real world whose thinking is actually warped to this level.”
Jameson,
"The Jehovah’s Witnesses are > ignorant fools> . > All of their scholarship is defunct and twisted> . Opposing stupidity is not grinding an ax, although > I do grind my teeth > when I think that you actually present their garbage as if they had some sense. "
Jameson,
"Like a little girl that points her finger in her brother’s face, moving it around erratically and saying, “I’m not touching you!” You push and ***** and poke until someone shouts at you, then you decry their lack of character. > You’re a wicked troll of the worst kind> . People like you should be banned from every serious forum. > You should probably be medicated and quarantined, in fact> .
Here’s one of your supporters, named Timberdoodle, cursing me:
“Evil, Lunatic, Child of the Devil, Satan, Father of Lies, Anti Christ,Idiot, Fool, stupid Ignoramous, Darth Vader”
I will stress again that I’ve done this with a heavy heart. .I don’t bear a grudge against you, nor do I hate you . I will continue to pray for you.
Be at peace,
Following are the most “abusive” things I’ve said at Carm, for which the moderators saw fit to furnish me with a three day banning :
"Well, shouldn’t you be praising the GODS ? " > violation rule 22
“If this doesn’t do it, then frankly I’m at a loss – how to get through to Civic… Any suggestions?” > Violation rule 12
"You above all have taught me what Jesus’ saying at Matthew 7:6 entails, “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces…” > This infraction is worth 10 point(s) , — > no reason given
"Well, you have said Jesus is God. So you’re contradicting yourself when you say “God was not formed in the womb.” > No reason given
“I’ve made a new rule: anyone wishing a discussion with me must know the meaning of the word synecdoche.” "> Insulted a member> "
"Why are your eyes so blinded to the truth of what John is saying ? " > Reason: Rule 22> : Divisive/Inflammatory
“You can say that again.” > Reason: Rule 12“The individuals at Carm. making this [absurd] claim about 2 John 1:7 have a tendency to manufacture their own grammar. Yet they couldn’t parse a Greek verb if their life depended upon it.” > Rule 22: Divisive/Inflammatory
“Again, Trinitarian orthodoxy asserts that Jesus is not a human person , but John 1:14 asserts that he sure is.
JM,” > VIOLATION RULE 22“The following is taken from Divine Truth or Human Tradition, Authorhouse, 2007, Patrick Navas, p. 309-311”
General Rule violations: Check your post for possible violation of rule #29, or Links, #17, or All caps, or #23, English only> ,
As the readers can see, I’ve had the book thrown at me by the moderators, and on top of that I’ve been called all kinds of abusive names by angry posters. I hope that I’ve lived up to the calling of my master , who asked his followers to forgive those who persecute, and to love them.
In the peace of Christ,
And here, precisely, is how one lets bygones be bygones. 
“Love keeps no records of wrongs.” “In the love of Christ.”
First, Timberdoodle is not “one of my supporters.” We generally agree against you, but that does not necessarily make us ideological allies.
Second, if you’re accusing me, then accuse me and leave off what other people said to you. It is irrelevant to your case.
Third, as I said to you before, if I were allowed to use harsher language to express just what I think of your foolishness and rash chutzpah on these forums, I would. You have the worst and most venomous snake-like character that I have ever seen of anyone online, and I’ve participated in many different forums. If I said it in plain language, I would make some people blush. I cannot get around calling it like it is. If I had the power, I would delete every nick that you create on every forum and ban you from the Internet. There are enough lies out there, and you do nothing but continue to the build-up of false lying crap that is already polluting the web streams.
Jason,
Please come to the realization that you “hate” me for no reason other than for my thinking . At Carm. you agreed with Timberdoodle when he called me the following names, and there you encouraged others to think of me in these terms:
“Evil, Lunatic, Child of the Devil, Satan, Father of Lies, Anti Christ,Idiot, Fool, stupid Ignoramous, Darth Vader”
Would you still call me the above names, and encourage others to do so, or have you repented of this attitude since ?
Third, as I said to you before, > if I were allowed to use harsher language to express just what I think of your foolishness and rash chutzpah on these forums, I would> ..
Jameson, from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man speaks holy, wholesome, kind, and forgiving words, words which uplift. The not good man, from the abundance of his heart, slanders, curses, hates, despises and murders others. My friend (I still call you a friend), do you not know that the bad things which come out of your mouth hurt you far more than they will ever hurt me ? Stop hating me for no apparent reason at all, and you will be at a better place than you are at right now. For your own good.
You have the worst and most venomous snake-like character that I have > ever > seen of anyone online, and I’ve participated in many different forums. If I said it in plain language, I would make some people blush. I cannot get around calling it like it is. If I had the power, I would delete every nick that you create on every forum and ban you from the Internet. There are enough lies out there, and you do nothing but continue to the build-up of false lying crap that is already polluting the web streams
Could you please give a single example of my “lies” ? If I see that there is any merit in your accusations, I will repent.
Remember Jameson, sin is crouching at the door. You must master it.
You might like to believe that, but it isn’t the case. There are others on CARM who are also Unitarians and hold the same opinions as you in many cases. However, they are not abusive of other posters. You consistently bully and badger, beat people over the head, etc. This question over Phil. 2:6-7 is itself an example of this. You have again and again brought this passage up as a weapon against me, trying to tell others on the forum that I’m an ignoramus and cannot understand the Bible because I read these phrases as epexegetical genitives. You did the same thing with your supposed example of constructio ad sensum in John 1 about τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινόν and the use of the masculine in the following verse. You did the same thing with so many verses. You get an opinion fixed in your head, and then you browbeat anyone who disagrees with your opinion.
What aroused my strong emotional reactions to your posts is the consistency in your attacks on other posters. You are not content to let people have their own opinions, but you try to make them into fools if they don’t accept either your thinking or your conclusions. It’s completely unacceptable, and as I have stated many times, you are probably the worst case of megalomania that I’ve run into online.
Hi Jason,
Good morning, and peace…
I’m simply repeating what you said though. The following (in quotes) are your words, pay careful attention to underlined:
“Yes, I would say that over the past year or so that we’ve been interacting here, I’ve developed a pretty strong sense of hate for you. That would probably be accurate enough. The thinking presented in your posts turns my stomach. It’s absolutely repulsive, and I’m sad to think that a person exists in the real world whose thinking is actually warped to this level.”
Jason, the truth is that no Unitarian at Carm. is abusive.. Rather you’re abusive to virtually all of the non-Trinitarian Unitarian/JW Christians there , but in your self-righteousness you do not see this.
You > consistently > > bully and badger> , beat people over the head, etc. This question over Phil. 2:6-7 is itself an example of this. You have again and again brought this passage up as a weapon against me, trying to > tell others on the forum that I’m an ignoramus > and cannot understand the Bible because I read these phrases as epexegetical genitives. You did the same thing with your supposed example of > constructio ad sensum > in John 1 about τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινόν and the use of the masculine in the following verse. You did the same thing with so many verses. You get an opinion fixed in your head, and then you > browbeat anyone who disagrees with your opinion> .
What aroused my strong emotional reactions to your posts is the consistency in your attacks on other posters. You are not content to let people have their own opinions, but you try to > make them into fools if they don’t accept either your thinking or your conclusions> . It’s completely unacceptable, and as I have stated many times, you are probably > the worst case of megalomania that I’ve run into online
Again, could you please give an example from one of my posts at Carm. of any of above (in bold) . Infact, I’m sad to say that you do all of the above (in bold) and then [try to] turn the tables on others. I’m grieved that you even slander God – calling into question his integrity and character, teaching that God is unjust, wicked and questioning his very existence, while at the same time praising the philosophy of Nietzsch. I expect to be abused by you, I just want you to understand that it is not good for your soul to do so. I shall continue to pray for you in this regard.