et ut illic liberalissimum esset spectare nihil sibi acquirentem, sic …
Is my reading correct:
and as there the noblest were to look acquiring nothing for himself, so …
so that aquirentem is subordinate to spectare?
I think your “as one” is right, Laurentius.
De anglicè “as one”, Laurenti, rectè dicis, ut opinor.
…et ut illic liberalissimum esset spectare nihil sibi acquirentem, sic in vita longe omnibus studiis contemplationem rerum cognitionemque praestare.
…and, just as there [at the games] it was a very high-minded thing to look on [as one] acquiring nothing for oneself, so in life the contemplation of things and their investigation stood far above all pursuits.
Thanks, I suppose this functions as in Greek, then. By the way, I never quite figured out how angular parentheses <> are to be used, as opposed to square ones and rounds. Perhaps there are varying practices. How appropriate is my above use, for instance? I’ve tried to look it up, but never found a satisfactory answer. (In an English selection from Aristotle (Irwin) they are used for gloss, but I suspect this is unconventional.)
There are, indeed. Strictly, “<>” aren’t really angular brackets, or chevrons, at all. They are inequality signs, but it’s no big deal, and they’re used as brackets in lots of places, including for coding.
Sunt quidem. Strictim cantheria non sunt sed inaequalitatis signa haec, <>, at quid refert. Ut ancones eae passim inveniantur, praesertim in codicibus computatralibus.
In the convention I follow, a ( parenthesis bracket indicates an aside in the speaker’s voice, a [ square bracket indicates an aside in a commentator’s voice on another’s voice or indicates something that could be dropped, and an angle < bracket introduces a hidden voice (in a computer language, say).
Secundum consuetudinem meam, ( ancon seu parenthesis dictum primâ voce sepositum introducit, [ ancon commentatoris dictum seu notam intrà alieni scriptum vel quod omittatur indicat, < ancon vocem absconditam introducit (forsit computatrale in linguâ)
Greater than signs? Do you have a reference for this?
Could it be that chevrons are used when leaving their content out would leave the text ungrammatical?
Well, it’s widely know in mathematics. If you have a dictionary on your computer, type in “>”.
Tritum est illud signum si tibi mathematica. In dictionarium ordinatrale inscribe “>”.
Vide “Angle brackets or chevrons ⟨ ⟩” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracket
I know the mathematical use from the bac, but it never occured to me that exclusive interval delimiters had anything to do with greater than signs. As I remember it, [3–5] is an inclusive interval, such that, if we are dealing with integers, it = {3,4,5}; whereagainst [3–5> is exclusive at the end and = {3,4}. I’m not convinced that that has anything to do with inequality. Further, if you think the text critical use is derived from the mathematical, that’s far from obvious, and requires some argument or source as well.
Since I said none of those things and think none of those things, don’t be bothered by any of those silly things, though [3–5> may be considered as meaning from 3 to less than 5 (a number 5 is greater than), if you want to think that way. However, I know open intervals as ]3,5[ or (3,5) for 3 < x < 5, or [3,5[ or [3,5) for what you wrote above (3 <= x < 5). If you use <3–5> for 3 < x < 5, fine, though I don’t recognize that, or if you use >3–5>, fine, too, for 3 < x < 5, though I don’t recognize that. I do recognize “–” (two hyphens) as a replacement for an n-dash meaning “to” in typescripts before the days of computers and more accurate representations of an n-dash, and also their being used as an m-dash, but not everyone cares about hyphens, n-dashes and m-dashes.
Nec dixi nec credi ea quae adjicis. Ne tibi curae sint tales nugae. Etiamsi numerus per 5> significetur qui cinque non aequat, qui infra cinque est. Aliter mathematicè scribo.
Then I have no idea what you meant by:
Ignoro igitur quod illo dicere voluisti:
Strictly, “<>” aren’t really angular brackets, or chevrons, at all. They are inequality signs, but it’s no big deal, and they’re used as brackets in lots of places, including for coding.
This is a square bracket: [ [, Unicode character Left Square Bracket U+005B
This is a curly bracket: { {, Unicode character Left Curly Bracket U+007B
This is a round bracket: ( (, Unicode character Left Parenthesis U+0028
This is a chevron or broken or angle bracket: ⟨ (〈), Unicode character Left Angle Bracket U+3008
This is a chevron or broken or angle bracket: ⟨ 〈, Unicode character Left-pointing Angle Bracket U+2329
This is a corner bracket: ｢ 「, Unicode Left Corner Bracket U+300C.
This is an angle quotation mark: ‹ Unicode character Left-pointing Angle Bracket U+2329
This is a mathematical white-square bracket, ⟦, Unicode character Mathematical Left White Square Bracket U+27E6.
This is a mathematical white curly bracket, ⦃, Unicode character Mathematical Left White Curly Bracket U+2983.
This is a black tortoise shell bracket, ⦗, Unicode character Left Black Tortoise Shell Bracket U+2997.
This is a mathematical white tortoise shell bracket, ⟬, Unicode character Mathematical White Tortoise Shell bracket U+27EC.
This is a mathematical angle bracket, ⟨ ⟨, Unicode character Mathematical Left Angle Bracket U+27E8. Note its height.
This, however, is an inequality sign: < <, Unicode character Less-than sign, U+003C. It is not as tall as the mathematical angle bracket.
Modernly, especially in coding, many use the Unicode inequality sign as an angle bracket because it’s in front of their nose on the keyboard. As I said, you are using an inequality sign for an angle bracket, because the sign that is in plain sight on your keyboard is officially called an inequality sign and it’s of lesser height than the mathematical angle bracket. It is a common practice to use that key character as an angle bracket. It is not an offence. You don’t break any law.
Per Unicode systema uncinos varios habes, ut angulatos, ut alatos, ut lunulas seu parentheses, ut fractos, ad scripta an cotidiana an mathematica aptos. Unâ cum eis sunt alii characteres formae similis uncinis: ut quaedam citationis signa, ut signa inaequalitatis.
His diebus, praesertim ordinatralibus in codicibus, multi charactere Unicode inaequalitatis pro uncino fracto utere solent cum character se in malleorum seriei facie opportunè ostendat. Ut dixi, inaequalitatis ei characteres a te supra dati quod minus alti uncinis fractis mathematicis. Non offendis. Non est legum violatio, sed factum typicum.
Intellego, et bonum sciendo hoc puto, quod, etsi me nonnullo modo versatum habeo in rebus typographicis, ignograbam.
On the other hand, I don’t know that unicode is a typographical authoritiy; such are to my mind (some of) the books that were printed before typography ceased to be a craft. Looking, f. ex., at Burnet’s edition of Ethica Nicomachea printed in London 1900, the chevrons are not tall. Gauther’s and Jolif’s Èthique à Nicomaque, Paris, 1958, have taller chevrons, but also much broader than the ones in unicode. I doubt that either of these should have employed a different sign were it in need of signifying an inequality. Finally, neither Adobe Caslon Pro nor Garamond Premier Pro has chevrons distinct from inequalities. (And yes, I know my apostrophes aren’t apostrophes, and normally I care, but I’m on a Windows computer that isn’t mine and I can’t be bothered finding out how to produce proper ones. Besides, this sans serif arguably isn’t worth it.)
The Unicode standard certainly is an authoritative standard and has been drawn up by many typographical authories. I’m sure you will find many variations over time. Maybe your computer can’t display them or the applications you use can’t display then, because otherwise you would see that both Adobe Caslon Pro and Garamond Premier Pro do exhibit the differences I was talking about between inequality signs and chevrons or angle brackets in the Unicode standard.
Certùm benè notus et auctoritate probatus est codex Unicode a multis artium typographicarum peritis scriptus. Scitum est variationes formae characterum per aeva and in aeva exstare. Forsit computatrum tuum vel programmata quae habes discrimina inter inaequalitatis signa et signa uncinorum fractorum monstrare non possunt; aliter capax quidem monstrandi utra scriptura quam citavisti, Adobe Caslon Pro et Garamond Premier Pro.
Believe me, if the characters are available to him, a good typesetter will use different characters or symbols to distinguish things with different meanings.
Crede mihi, nisi characteres carent, typotheta bonus signa diversa quae significationes diversas habent per characteres diversos distinguit.
Caslon:
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/1712.pdf
Garamond:
http://store1.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/1737.pdf
Really? Perhaps you are thinking of the difference between single guillemets and inequalities. Given this choice, I think one should use inequalities and not guillemets for chevrons. Or are you seeing something that I am not? Do you use XeLaTeX? If so, which commands would you use to produce your different characters?
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By this principle taken as universal, one should ideally use a symbol for the apostrophe which were different from that for the closing single quotation mark. I admit that in this case it seems more logical to have a symbol that is more like ( [ {, but so long as this isn’t found in a book that is older than digital printing, I’ll allow myself to consider it less than obligatory.
The reason why it isn’t found is perhaps that its use was very limited (to philology). To my mind, taking what one has is such a case, has a certain charm to it. (It resembles the case of the first universal quantifiers in Frege, which are just inverted As, hanging below the line. Here, using an actual A instead of some sans serif special symbol adjusted above the line is preferable.)
Sorry, Laurentius. This is a forum for learning latin. Elsewhere you might learn about displaying Unicode characters and about chevrons in pre-digital books. Showing you where to look for chevrons won’t help my or your latin.
Me paenitet, Laurenti. Hoc est forum ad latinum discendum. Alibi de Unicode, de scripturis typographicis, de uncinis fractis in libris ante aevum computatrale tibi discendum est. Latinum nostrum non adjuvat tibi monstrare ubi inveniantur uncini fracti.