Number agreement

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Number agreement

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On chapter 7 now.

I feel a bit nervous about asking, after yesterday's stupid question.

But straight away today I get stuck here:

Secundas litteras discipulae heri videbas et de verbis tum cogitabas.
You saw (were looking at) the student's second letter yesterday and were then thinking about her words.

I cannot see how the letter can be singular. Surely 1st declension -as is accusative plural?

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Not a stupid question at all. You're right that litteras is plural, but it's a quirk of Latin that plural litterae usually means a "letter" (one that you send to someone, not a letter of the alphabet) or sometimes "literature."

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porphyrios wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:28 pm Not a stupid question at all. You're right that litteras is plural, but it's a quirk of Latin that plural litterae usually means a "letter" (one that you send to someone, not a letter of the alphabet) or sometimes "literature."
Ok. And the adjective has to agree *because it does*?

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that this little quirk isn't mentioned in the book (to date).

Paul.

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The adjective is following the normal rules for agreement with nouns: it's a plural noun, so the adjective is also plural. The fact that the plural noun happens to refer to one real-world object does not change the requirement that plural nouns take plural modifiers. It's completely normal for Latin, though it is a bit odd for English speakers trying to translate.

In my copy of Wheelock's, at least, the vocabulary entry for littera includes the following: "litterae, -ārum, f. pl., a letter (epistle); literature." But perhaps it wasn't pointed out in the chapter itself.

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porphyrios wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:55 pm In my copy of Wheelock's, at least, the vocabulary entry for littera includes the following: "litterae, -ārum, f. pl., a letter (epistle); literature." But perhaps it wasn't pointed out in the chapter itself.
Yes, I must pay more attention to the vocabulary lists. I just fell foul of "plot" also being plural.

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