Translation of Lesson LXXIV from D'Ooge's book

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Translation of Lesson LXXIV from D'Ooge's book

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On pg. 184-185 in the workbook and pg. 34 of the answer key.

LESSON LXXIV
434.I.1. The king asked what the ambassadors demanded and why they had come to him. 2. He also asked whether they remembered neither the recent injustices nor the doubtful friendship of the Romans. 3. Do you all see what towns the enemy besieged? 4. You all do know why the Gauls have betaken themselves under the mountain, right? 5. We heard what injuries the Germans had inflicted upon you. 6. About the third watch, the general sent men to find out what the nature of the mountain was. 7. The orator spoke on behalf of these men and he asked why the consuls wanted to send ships to a place full of the greatest danger. 8. After the ambassadors were summoned, he pointed out what he wanted to be done. 9. The messenger reported what had been said regarding the disarmament at the meeting of the Gauls. 10. I advise that you not lead foot soldiers and the cavalry across the river in future times.
II.1. Quem collem occupaverunt? Video quem collem occupaverint. 2. Quis has iniurias clientibus nostris intulit? 3. Rogaverunt quis eas iniurias clientibus eorum intulissent. 4. Quo de tertia vigilia isti? Scis quo ierim. 5. Ubi pueri domum redierunt? Rogabo ubi pueri domum redierint.

For number 3 of part II, is it eas iniurias or illas iniurias? I went with eas.

And for number 5 of the same part, I couldn't find anywhere online how to say at what time in Latin, so I just went with ubi. My first choice was in qua hora. Would that be correct too? The answer key has quota, which from what I understand is used to ask what time is it, so that doesn't seem right. Quota isn't even in the dictionary at the end of D'Ooge's book.

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Propertius wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:28 am

LESSON LXXIV
434.I.1. The king asked what the ambassadors demanded and why they had come to him. 2. He also asked whether they remembered neither the recent injustices nor the doubtful friendship of the Romans. 3. Do you all see which towns the enemy besieged? 4. You all do know why the Gauls have betaken themselves under the mountain, right? 5. We heard what injuries the Germans had inflicted upon you. 6. About the third watch, the general sent men to find out what the nature of the mountain was. 7. The orator spoke on behalf of these men and he asked why the consuls wanted to send ships to a place full of the greatest danger. 8. After the ambassadors were summoned, he pointed out what he wanted to be done. 9. The messenger reported what had been said regarding the disarmament at the meeting of the Gauls. 10. I advise that you not lead foot soldiers and the cavalry across the river in future times.
II.1. Quem collem occupāvērunt? Videō quem collem occupāverint. 2. Quis hās iniūriās clientibus nostrīs intulit? 3. Rogāvērunt quis eās iniūriās clientibus eōrum intulissent. 4. Quō dē tertiā vigiliā/circā tertiam vigiliam istī? Scīs quō ierim. 5. Quandō/quotā hōrā/quā hōrā puerī domum rediērunt/revertērunt? Rogābō quandō/quotā hōrā/quā hōrā puerī domum redierint/reverterint.
I think you did fine on 3. If you wanted more emphasis, you'd use illās. Although we all like relativistic Latin :wink:, as interrogative pronoun, ubī only means where. It can mean when, but not as interrogative. The standard interrogative would be quandō. You can use also quotā (quotus, a, um) or, less precisely, quā hōrā. You may want to check where D'Ooge introduces quandō. When in doubt when translating from English to Latin, sometimes it's useful to think of a synonym (e.g., at what time = when). Of course, you can always browse Smith & Hall.

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Re: Translation of Lesson LXXIV from D'Ooge's book

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bedwere wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:08 pm
Propertius wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:28 am

LESSON LXXIV
434.I.1. The king asked what the ambassadors demanded and why they had come to him. 2. He also asked whether they remembered neither the recent injustices nor the doubtful friendship of the Romans. 3. Do you all see which towns the enemy besieged? 4. You all do know why the Gauls have betaken themselves under the mountain, right? 5. We heard what injuries the Germans had inflicted upon you. 6. About the third watch, the general sent men to find out what the nature of the mountain was. 7. The orator spoke on behalf of these men and he asked why the consuls wanted to send ships to a place full of the greatest danger. 8. After the ambassadors were summoned, he pointed out what he wanted to be done. 9. The messenger reported what had been said regarding the disarmament at the meeting of the Gauls. 10. I advise that you not lead foot soldiers and the cavalry across the river in future times.
II.1. Quem collem occupāvērunt? Videō quem collem occupāverint. 2. Quis hās iniūriās clientibus nostrīs intulit? 3. Rogāvērunt quis eās iniūriās clientibus eōrum intulissent. 4. Quō dē tertiā vigiliā/circā tertiam vigiliam istī? Scīs quō ierim. 5. Quandō/quotā hōrā/quā hōrā puerī domum rediērunt/revertērunt? Rogābō quandō/quotā hōrā/quā hōrā puerī domum redierint/reverterint.
You may want to check where D'Ooge introduces quandō.
Where does he introduce quando. I can't find that part. That word isn't even in the dictionary at the end of the book.

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Quandōque bonus dormītat D'Ooge.... :D

Edit.

Alas, poor quandō!

Only mention is in the Teacher's Manual.

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