Translation of D'Ooge's Lesson LXXIII

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Translation of D'Ooge's Lesson LXXIII

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On pg. 182-183 of the workbook and pg. 33 of the answer key.

LESSON LXXIII
428.I.1. Bear! (sing.), they will bear, so that they may bear, they bear. 2. Bear! (pl.), so that they might bear, to have borne, they had borne. 3. We have borne, bearing, to have been borne, to bear. 4. When the boats approached the island, the foreigners, alarmed with terror, tried to retreat. 5. The Gauls were annoyed that they laid to waste the Roman fields. 6. Caesar ordered his allies not to make war upon their neighbors. 7. The scouts that ran into Caesar said that the army of the enemy, wearied with wounds, had betook itself to another place. 8. The enemy knew that the Romans lacked grain and that this issue would bring the greatest danger to Caesar. 9. After the equipment was brought to one spot, some of the soldiers crossed the river which was not far away. 10. The king encouraged these men to go to the oracle and to recount the things they heard to him. 11. Whom did the general put in charge of that legion? Publius was in charge of that legion. 12. When Caesar was in hither Gaul, frequent reports were brought to him and he was also informed by a letter that the Gauls gave hostages to each other.
II.1. Galli Caesaris sociis bellum inferent. 2. Audivimus Gallos Caesaris sociis bellum allaturos esse. 3. Publius illo proelio non intererat. 4. Certiores facti sumus Publium illo proelio non interesse. 5. Vir qui equitatui praeerat vulneratus est pedemque referre coepit. 6. Caesar cohorti te non praefecit ut exercitui calamitatem afferat.

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Propertius wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:17 pm On pg. 182-183 of the workbook and pg. 33 of the answer key.

LESSON LXXIII
428.I.1. Bear! (sing.), they will bear, so that they may bear, they bear. 2. Bear! (pl.), so that they might bear, to have borne, they had borne. 3. We have borne, bearing, to have been borne, to bear. 4. When the boats approached the island, the foreigners, alarmed with terror, tried to retreat. 5. The Gauls were annoyed that the Romans laid waste to the fields. 6. Caesar ordered his allies not to make war upon their neighbors. 7. The scouts that ran into Caesar said that the army of the enemy, wearied with wounds, had betaken itself to another place. 8. The enemy knew that the Romans lacked grain and that this issue would bring the greatest danger to Caesar. 9. After the equipment was brought to one spot, some of the soldiers crossed the river which was not far away. 10. The king encouraged these men to go to the oracle and to recount the things they heard to him. 11. Whom did the general put in charge of that legion? Publius was in charge of that legion. 12. When Caesar was in the Gaul closer to us, frequent reports were brought to him and he was also informed by a letter that the Gauls gave hostages to each other.
II.1. Gallī Caesaris sociīs bellum īnferent. 2. Audīvimus Gallōs Caesaris sociīs bellum allātūrōs esse. 3. Pūblius illō proeliō nōn intererat. 4. Certiōrēs factī sumus Pūblium illō proeliō nōn interfuisse. 5. Vir quī equitātuī praeerat vulnerātus est pedemque referre (terga vertere) coepit. 6. Caesar cohortī tē nōn praefēcit ut exercituī calamitātem adferrēs (īnferrēs)

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Re: Translation of D'Ooge's Lesson LXXIII

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bedwere wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:29 am
Propertius wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:17 pm On pg. 182-183 of the workbook and pg. 33 of the answer key.

LESSON LXXIII
428.I.1. Bear! (sing.), they will bear, so that they may bear, they bear. 2. Bear! (pl.), so that they might bear, to have borne, they had borne. 3. We have borne, bearing, to have been borne, to bear. 4. When the boats approached the island, the foreigners, alarmed with terror, tried to retreat. 5. The Gauls were annoyed that the Romans laid waste to the fields. 6. Caesar ordered his allies not to make war upon their neighbors. 7. The scouts that ran into Caesar said that the army of the enemy, wearied with wounds, had betaken itself to another place. 8. The enemy knew that the Romans lacked grain and that this issue would bring the greatest danger to Caesar. 9. After the equipment was brought to one spot, some of the soldiers crossed the river which was not far away. 10. The king encouraged these men to go to the oracle and to recount the things they heard to him. 11. Whom did the general put in charge of that legion? Publius was in charge of that legion. 12. When Caesar was in the Gaul closer to us, frequent reports were brought to him and he was also informed by a letter that the Gauls gave hostages to each other.
II.1. Gallī Caesaris sociīs bellum īnferent. 2. Audīvimus Gallōs Caesaris sociīs bellum allātūrōs esse. 3. Pūblius illō proeliō nōn intererat. 4. Certiōrēs factī sumus Pūblium illō proeliō nōn interfuisse. 5. Vir quī equitātuī praeerat vulnerātus est pedemque referre (terga vertere) coepit. 6. Caesar cohortī tē nōn praefēcit ut exercituī calamitātem adferrēs (īnferrēs)
For sentence 4 of part II, shouldn't it be interesse since the main verb is in past tense already? The original reads:

We have been informed that Publius did not take part in that battle.

Wouldn't it be interfuisse if that bold part was:

had not taken part

Or does that only apply to indirect statements?

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According to my interpretation, here the main verb in the perfect indicates an act completed in the present time (the so called perfect proper vs. the aoristic perfect, which indicates a mere act in the past): we are now in the condition of being informed. The information regards the participation of Publius to a battle, a mere act in the past. Hence the sequence perfect indicative and perfect infinitive. It seems to me that D'Ooge is encouraging my interpretation through presenting first sentence 3.

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bedwere wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:19 pm According to my interpretation, here the main verb in the perfect indicates an act completed in the present time (the so called perfect proper vs. the aoristic perfect, which indicates a mere act in the past): we are now in the condition of being informed. The information regards the participation of Publius to a battle, a mere act in the past. Hence the sequence perfect indicative and perfect infinitive. It seems to me that D'Ooge is encouraging my interpretation through presenting first sentence 3.
That makes complete sense. My mistake.

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