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χρώμενος τῇ ὑπὸ Ξενοφῶντος γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ ηὗρον πῶς προσαγορεύω τοὺς Κορινθίους.
mwh wrote:“ἔγραψα ἱστορίαν περὶ πολεμοῦ Ἀθηνῶν ἀντὶ Σπάρτας.”

Cities don’t have wars. You mean the Athenians and the Lacedaemonians.

ἀντί as a preposition means “instead of.” For “against” you could use ἐπί with dative, or επί with accusative if they sent armed forces against them (since the accusative implies movement towards, as with πρός and εἰς).
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mwh wrote: πολέμου (note accent) “a war.” Article needed if you mean “the” war.

Do we get to see this story?

ὄιδα wrong accent.
http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-foru ... 28&t=65728
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ἐπηνώρθωσα τε τὴν ἱστορίαν περὶ τοῦ πολέμου τοῦ Ἀθηναίων ἐπὶ τῷ Σπαρτίοις καὶ ἀνέγνων μικρὸν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Ἡροδότου γεγραμμένης βίβλου.

τὸν->τοῦ
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χρώμενος τῇ ὑπὸ Φαρνελος γεγραμμένῃ βίβλου ἐμελέτων πὼς χρῶ τήν λέξιν ἐάν.
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ἔγραψε ὀλίγας φράσεις μυθοῦ χρώμενος λέξεσι ἐκ τοῦ ὑπὸ Στράβωνος γεγραμμένης βίβλου.[/size]
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μικρόν τι τοῦ τῆς Γενέσεως βιβλίου εἰς τὰ ὦτά μου ἀφίκετο.

https://stancu.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/gen-gv.mp3
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8/25
ἐπὶ τῷ Σπαρτίοις Concord!
No such word as Σπάρτιος. You mean τοῖς Λακεδαιμoνίοις, the usual word for Spartans. A Σπαρτιάτης is exclusively a Spartiate.

8/26
γεγραμμένῃ βίβλου Concord! Can’t you see this is wrong?
πὼς: πῶς
χρῶ shd not be active

8/27
ἔγραψε ?

daivid, I’m going to take time out. I’m sure others will step in.
φιλοπόνει,
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ἐχρώμην τῇ ὑπὸ Φαρνελλος γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ ἵνα μανθάνοιμι πῶς χρῶμαι τὴν λέξιν ἐάν.
mwh wrote:8/25
ἐπὶ τῷ Σπαρτίοις Concord!
No such word as Σπάρτιος. You mean τοῖς Λακεδαιμoνίοις, the usual word for Spartans. A Σπαρτιάτης is exclusively a Spartiate.

8/26
γεγραμμένῃ βίβλου Concord! Can’t you see this is wrong?
πὼς: πῶς
χρῶ shd not be active

8/27
ἔγραψε ?

daivid, I’m going to take time out. I’m sure others will step in.
φιλοπόνει,
Michael
The help you have given and time devoted has been immense- Thank you.
8/25
ἐπὶ τοῖς Λακεδαιμoνίοις
8/26
γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ
8/27
ἔγραψα
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ἀναγνούς μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Στράβωνος γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἀπεκρινάμην Μάρκῳ.
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daivid wrote:ἀναγνούς μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Στράβωνος γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἀπεκρινάμην Μάρκῳ.
καὶ καλῶς ἀπεκρίνω σύγε.
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ἀνέγνων τὸ τῆς ὑπὸ Ἰωάννου γεγραμμένης βίβλου μέρος πέρι τοῦ τρίτου ὄψεως Ἰησοῦ.
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What gender is οψις?
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ἀνέγνων νεόν τὲ μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Ἰωάννου γεγραμμένης βίβλου καὶ πάλιν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Στράβονος γεγραμμένης βίβλου.
Hylander wrote:What gender is οψις?
πέρι τῆς τρίτης ὄψεως τῆς Ἰησοῦ.

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ἔγνων πέρι τῆς εὐδαιμονίας τῆς Αἰγύπτου κρατηθείσης ὑπὸ Σεβαστοῦ Καίσαρος κατὰ γε Στράβωνα.
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χρώμενος τῇ ὑπὸ Ρυσσελλος γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ ἔμαθον πῶς χρῶμαι λέξεσι τοιαύταις οἵα «οὕτω» καὶ«ὡς»
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τήμερον μόνος μικρὸν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Στράβωνος γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἀνέγνων.
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daivid wrote:τήμερον μόνος μικρὸν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Στράβωνος γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἀνέγνων.
τήμερον μόνοι Δαυιδ κἀγὼ τὸ παίγνιον τὰ εἴκοσι ἐρωτήματα ἐπαίζομεν. ἀλλὰ μόνον μικρὸν μέρος τοῦ παιγνίου ἐπαίσαμεν.
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ἐμάνθανον πέρι λεξέων τοιαύτων ὡς τὰ ὅσῳ καί τοσούτῳ.
Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:τήμερον μόνος μικρὸν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Στράβωνος γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἀνέγνων.
τήμερον μόνοι Δαυιδ κἀγὼ τὸ παίγνιον τὰ εἴκοσι ἐρωτήματα ἐπαίζομεν. ἀλλὰ μόνον μικρὸν μέρος τοῦ παιγνίου ἐπαίσαμεν.
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ἀναγνούς μέγα μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Μάρκου γεγραμμένης βίβλου, χαίρω.
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ἐμελέτων τοιαύτας λέξεις οἵα εστι ὅσας χρώμενος τῇ ὑπὸ Ρυσσελλος γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ.
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ἔμαθον χρώμενος τῇ ὑπὸ Ρυσσελλος γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ.
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ἀνέγνων το τῆς ὑπὸ Μάρκου γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἐνθάδε οὗ ὁ Ἰησοῦς  ἰᾶται τὸν λεπρὸν.
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ἐπείρασα ἀναγνῶναι μικρὸν μέρος βίβλου τινος ὑπὸ Πλούταρχος γεγραμμένης ἀλλὰ δυσκολώτατος ὄντος ἐπαυσάμην καὶ εμαθον τὴν ὑπὸ Ρυσσελλος γεγραμμένην βίβλον.
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πάλιν ἀνέγνων τὸ αὐτὸν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Πλούταρχος γεγραμμένης βίβλου καὶ σὺν βοηθείᾳ ἐπέρανα.
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ἔγραφον πράγματα τινὰ τῶν ἐτῶν τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος.
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πάλιν ἀνέγνων πῶς ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἰάσατο τὸν λεπρὸν ἀλλὰ ἐν τῷ βίβλῳ τῷ ὑπὸ Μαθθαίου ἀντὶ Μάρκου γεγραμμένῃ
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daivid wrote:πάλιν ἀνέγνων πῶς ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἰάσατο τὸν λεπρὸν ἀλλὰ ἐν τῷ βίβλῳ τῷ ὑπὸ Μαθθαίου ἀντὶ Μάρκου γεγραμμένῃ
καλὸν οὖν ἀνέγνως σύγε.
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ἀναγνούς τὸ καὶ ὑπὸ Μαθθαίου δὲ ὑπὸ Μάρκου γεγραμμένον πέρι τῆς τοῦ λεπροῦ θεραπείας τήμερον ἀνέγνων ἑξῆς τὸ ὑπὸ Λουκᾶ γεγραμμένον.
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μνημονεύσω μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Πλουτάρχου γεγραμμένης βίβλου πέρι Μαρκέλλου.
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τήμερον ἦν ἡ ὑπὸ Μάρκου γεγραμμένη βίβλος ἀναγνωσθῆναι ἑξῆς
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ἀνάγνους μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Μάρκου γεγραμμένης βίβλου εὐκόπου οὔσης, ἐπείρασα ἀναγιγνώσκειν μέρος βίβλου ὑπὸ Ξενοφῶντος γεγραμμένης ἀλλὰ δύσκολον ἦν.
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μόλις ἀνέγνων μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Ξενοφῶντος γεγραμμένης βίβλου ἔμαθον τὴν ὑπὸ Φαρνελλος γεγραμμένην βίβλον.
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μαθὼν μέρος τῆς ὑπὸ Φαρνελλος γεγραμμένης βίβλου, ἀνέγνων μέρος τῆς Ἀποκαλύψεως.
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βουλομένων γράφειν πέρι συνθηκῶν ἀνεγίγνωσκον πέρι συνθηκῶν ἐν τῇ ὑπὸ Ἡροδότου γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ
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ἔγραψα πέρι τῶν ἐτῶν ἐπεὶ Οὐάσσιγγτον ἦχε ταῖς συσταθείσαις πολέσι.

EDIT
ἔγραψε->ἔγραψα
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Daivid - in your last two posts, I would suggest you look again at βουλομένων and ἦχε.

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Also:

τῇ ὑπὸ Ἡροδότου γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ
τῆς ὑπὸ Φαρνελλος γεγραμμένης βίβλου, κτλ

With the perfect passive (including participles), you should always use the dative of agent, not υπο + genitive.

Smyth:
1488. Dative of the Agent.—With passive verbs (usually in the perfect and pluperfect) and regularly with verbal adjectives in -τός and -τέος, the person in whose interest an action is done, is put in the dative. The notion of agency does not belong to the dative, but it is a natural inference that the person interested is the agent.
ἐμοὶ καὶ τούτοις πέπρα_κται has been done by (for) me and these men D. 19.205, ““ἐπειδὴ αὐτοῖς παρεσκεύαστο” when they had got their preparations ready” T. 1.46, ““τοσαῦτά μοι εἰρήσθω” let so much have been said by me” L. 24.4, ““ἐψηφίσθαι τῇ βουλῇ” let it have been decreed by the senate” C.I.A. /lref>

a. With verbal adjectives in -τός and -τέος (2149): ““τοῖς οἴκοι ζηλωτός” envied by those at home” X. A. 1.7.4, ““ἡμῖν γ᾽ ὑπὲρ τῆς ἐλευθερία_ς ἀγωνιστέον” we at least must struggle to defend our freedom” D. 9.70. For the accus. with -τέον, see 2152 a.

1490. The dative of the agent is rarely employed with other tenses than perfect and pluperfect: ““λέγεται ἡμῖν” is said by us” P. L. 715b, τοῖς Κερκυ_ραίοις οὐχ ἑωρῶντο the ships were not seen by (were invisible to) the Corcyraeans T. 1.51; present, T. 4.64, 109; aorist T. 2.7.
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τήμερον ἔμαθον τὴν τῇ Ρυσελλει γεγραμμένην βίβλον.
Hylander wrote:Also:

τῇ ὑπὸ Ἡροδότου γεγραμμένῃ βίβλῳ
τῆς ὑπὸ Φαρνελλος γεγραμμένης βίβλου, κτλ

With the perfect passive (including participles), you should always use the dative of agent, not υπο + genitive.
Thanks for the advice. I don't fully understand as yet but I will give it a very careful read tomorrow when I get up.
EDIT
γεγραμμένην added
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τήμερον ἀνέγνων μόνον ἕνα φρασίν τῇ Λυσίᾳ γεγραμμένην.
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ἔμαθον φράσεις ἔχουσαι λέξιν «ἄν» χραινόμενος τῇ
Ρυσσελλι* βίβλῳ.


*Stephanie Russell
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“τήμερον ἀνέγνων μόνον ἕνα φρασίν τῇ Λυσίᾳ γεγραμμένην.”

Correct the gender of ἕνα. (And the accent of φρασιν. Nouns in -σις are never accented on the last syllable.)
And Lysias is not feminine! So τῇ should be ...?


“ἔμαθον φράσεις ἔχουσαι λέξιν «ἄν» χραινόμενος τῇ
Ρυσσελλι βίβλῳ.”

Correct the case of ἔχουσαι.
λέξιν needs article.
χραινόμενος: you mean χρώμενος?

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