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Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:22 am

I am having trouble finding copies of W.H.D. Rouse's notes to this:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Luc ... xLAAAAMAAJ

Does anyone know of a copy? I know that it's in many libraries, but I can't find it on the used market. EDIT: I am looking for the notes (vol. 2), not the dialogues themselves.
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Calgacus » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:13 am

There's quite a good short anthology of Lucian's works, pitched at school-level students, by Keith Sidwell in the Bristol Classical Press (1986). There's extensive translation help as well as some brief notes.

He's an excellent author for intermediate students, in my opinion - he writes in nice clear Attic, and the dialogues and stories are often very funny (not to mention highly informative as regards the various philosophical traditions).

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:21 pm

Thank you for the suggestion. I am very interested in Rouse's notes in particular, as they are in Greek.
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:43 pm

I have found a digital copy:

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009643054

Click Full View to access. Perhaps someone from a "partner institution" could download the PDF? I don't have the access for that.
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:25 am

Never mind. I wrote a program to grab all of the files, zipped them to PDF, and have uploaded everything to archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/luciandialoguesnotes

The dialogues themselves are available here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uJxLAAAAMAAJ
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Paco » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:57 am

Caution: sidetrack

Amazing it is that you have written such a program! It is exhausting to do it page after page.

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:52 pm

Speaking to other developers, I would have called it a script. It was very simple: wget wrapped in a bash for-loop. In general, I don't have the patience for doing things the slow way.

Also a useful temperament for Greek learning.
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by mingshey » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:23 am

jeidsath wrote:I don't have the patience for doing things the slow way.
One of the virtues of a great programmer, they say, is Laziness.

Thank you so much for sharing! :D

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Thrasystomos » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:36 pm

Hi, I like the text a lot, but the only copy I found in the internet is missing pages 7-19.

Unfortunately, I can't access the Google books link (geo-blocking, I guess).

Could someone please put a copy in some cloud drive (or similar)? Thank a lot in advance!

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Gergian » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:27 am

Thrasystomos wrote:Hi, I like the text a lot, but the only copy I found in the internet is missing pages 7-19.

Unfortunately, I can't access the Google books link (geo-blocking, I guess).

Could someone please put a copy in some cloud drive (or similar)? Thank a lot in advance!
Hi Thrasystomos, I upload it to the Google Drive of our project, here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11hWeJ ... d7FHbj91A4

One of our tasks is to recover this book. Can you access this now?

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Julius » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:45 pm

What a coincidence, this book is currently being transcribed by the Distributed Proofreaders/Canada

https://www.pgdpcanada.net/c/project.ph ... p180711008

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Thrasystomos » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:28 am

it's now with Gutenberg:

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/57629

If you find a typo left, you can post it here.

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:52 am

That's amazing. It's exciting to see this digitized.

I scanned through it quickly and didn't catch any errors.
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by mahasacham » Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:06 pm

Its funny, the very first character of the document seems to be a mistake.

ΠΡΟΜ. Δῦσόν με, ὦ Ζεῦ· δεινὰ γὰρ ἤδη πέπονθα.

I assume it should be "Λῦσόν" not "Δῦσόν"

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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by jeidsath » Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:40 pm

Good catch. Your eyes are better than mine.

Also, this editorial note about a typo is incorrect: "γόης, ὦ Διόγενες, ἅνθρωπος [typo: should be ἄνθ..], καὶ τεχνίτης."

On the other hand, there should be a typo note here:

Οὔκ· ἀλλὰ ἴστε, οἶμαι, ὦ Ἰφιάνασσα, τὸν Περσέα, τὸ τῆς Δανάης παιδίον, ὃ μετὰ τῆς μητρὸς ἐν τῇ κιβωτῷ ἐμβληθὲν ἐς τὴν θάλατταν ὑπὸ τοῦ μητροπάτορος ἐσώσατε, οἰκτίραντα αὐτούς

See this thread.
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Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Post by Thrasystomos » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:23 pm

thanks a lot for you comment, I will update it shortly.

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