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Obama=Cicero?

Post by thesaurus » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:11 pm

I'm in the process of translating Obama's inaugural address into Latin (to be posted soon), and I was pleased to find that I'm not the only person who finds his style reminiscent of classical forms.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/no ... obama-usa1

What do you think? There are definitely interesting parallels, not just rhetorically, although nothing for which others couldn't also qualify. I'm happy to say that Obama is far less bombastic and long-winded. His concern for the Republic, however, seems similar, as well as his high ideals, law, and "novus homo" background.

Let's just hope that Obama only mimics the beginning of Cicero's career, and not the end.

PS Did anyone else make it too the inauguration? My review: it was crowded.
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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by Amadeus » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:30 pm

I'm not an expert in Rhetoric (in fact I'm only beginning to study it after being deprived of it in school) but in my opinion president John F. Kennedy's inaugural address sounds a bit better in comparison. As of yet I have not analyzed both speeches in detail. Perhaps the richness in style (e.g. figures of speech) is probably equal in both Obama and Kennedy's addresses. However, for me, voice modulation is also a big factor, and I much prefer the stately, steady pace of Kennedy. :)

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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by PeterD » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:46 am

His concern for the Republic, however, seems similar, as well as his high ideals, law, and "novus homo" background.
I disagree. Obama could not care less for the Republic. He's an immoral opportunist without any principles of human decency. If anything, he kind of reminds me of Bill "Bubba" Clinton, except I don't think he, unlike Clinton, will be screwing any of the young interns at the White House.
Did anyone else make it too the inauguration? My review: it was crowded.
I wasn't invited (not that I would go). In any case, I found it sad that so many people attended. Where were these people when the US government (Obama included) was selling out their nation to the Wall Street hucksters and bankers?


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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by Amadeus » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:32 am

There you go again, PeterD. Can't you be a little nicer? :) Obama is not your president.
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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by PeterD » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:43 am

Amadeus wrote:There you go again, PeterD. Can't you be a little nicer? :) Obama is not your president.
There was no disrespect towards thesaurus. I simply disagreed.

Indeed Obama is not my president. Thankfully, my parents had the foresight to chose Canada instead of the United States. (Love you mom. Love you dad.) But I can express an opinion on the man's character or lack thereof, no?

I sincerely meant what I said about Obama, Amadeus. For example, when Israel started bombing the hell out of Gaza, killing hundreds of civilians in just the first few days of slaughter (please, let's be honest and call it a "slaughter" and not a "war."), the President-elect said nothing. Absolutely nothing. All he had to do was say "STOP" and the carnage would have stopped. Period. Instead, he advised his handlers to say (not in those exact words, obviously) that we have only one president at a time. That's funny... I seem to recall that when Russia had invaded Georgia last year, Obama---who was, ironically enough, in vacation in Hawaii as he was in this instance as well---immediately issued a statement condemning Russia AND expressed his deep concerns for the wellbeing of the people of Georgia.

Deep concern for the wellbeing of the people of Georgia, nada for the hapless Palestinians of Gaza. Now, what does that tell you about the guy's character, Amadeus?
Can't you be a little nicer? :)
I am nice guy, just ask ThomasGR. :wink:

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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by Lex » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:10 pm

PeterD wrote:He's [Obama is] an immoral opportunist without any principles of human decency.
Good Lord Almighty, I hope so! That's our only saving grace! The other alternative, the one I really fear, is that Obama is a true believer in the social democratic New World Order. That would bode much worse for civilization as we know it.

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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by thesaurus » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:46 pm

I'm glad to see that Textkit has renewed my general lack of respect for many Classics enthusiasts.
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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by PeterD » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:20 am

I'm glad to see that Textkit has renewed my general lack of respect for many Classics enthusiasts.
Grow a spine, silly thesaurus!
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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by Auberon » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:55 am

Grow a spine, silly thesaurus!
I'm new here, but already Peter D is my favourite poster. After all, anyone who has the nerve to use his own words as a quote in his signature has to be the life of the party. Classic.
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Re: Obama=Cicero?

Post by Estoniacus Inoriginale » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:37 pm

Lex wrote:
PeterD wrote:He's [Obama is] an immoral opportunist without any principles of human decency.
Good Lord Almighty, I hope so! That's our only saving grace! The other alternative, the one I really fear, is that Obama is a true believer in the social democratic New World Order. That would bode much worse for civilization as we know it.
Out of sheer interest I'd like to know about New World Order and social democracy... I am condused where the sarcasm ends or begins in this post of yours that I quoted. BTW, I am on a much more positive opinion of Obama that PeterD.
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