As I understand it, Latin isn't supposed to have relative adjectives. Where it appears they might exist (e.g. Dido: urbem quam statuo vestra est Aen. 1.573,), other explanations are sometimes offered (e.g. attraction).
However, Pinkster speaks of the "so-called adjectival" use of the relative and provides as an example this:
Quibus est dictis dignus, usque oneremus ambo.
(‘Let’s both give him a good load of the language he deserves!’, Pl. Mer. 978)
https://www.harmpinkster.nl/files/artic ... (2012).pdf
His use of "so-called" may intend to indicate that he doesn't accept the concept of an adjectival relative, but I think it is just rather than he prefers to use "determiner" rather than "adjective." Besides, later on he lists the relative under "substantival/adjectival":
substantival/adjectival:
qui ‘who’, ‘that’, quisque ‘whoever’, ‘whatever’, quisquis ‘whoever’, ‘whatever’ (all from
Early Latin onwards)
Furthermore, Maclardy, in reference to quem si fata virum servant in 1.546, says: "... qui, quae, quod, which may be pronoun or adjective" (Maclardy, The Aeneid of Virgil, p. 230; incidentally he explains urbem quam as attraction).
So, can we say that Latin does have an adjectival use of the relative? Thoughts?
Relative Adjectives?
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Isn’t it just “with what words he deserves” i.e. “with the words of which he is worthy” ([eis] dictis quibus est dignus), with the quasi-noun dictis drawn into the relative clause and the whole thing collapsed? It’s much less remarkable than urbem quam statuo vestra est, since here there’s no case conflict.
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Re: Relative Adjectives?
Yes, that might not have been the best example he could have chosen.mwh wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:40 am Isn’t it just “with what words he deserves” i.e. “with the words of which he is worthy” ([eis] dictis quibus est dignus), with the quasi-noun dictis drawn into the relative clause and the whole thing collapsed? It’s much less remarkable than urbem quam statuo vestra est, since here there’s no case conflict.