Athenaze → Hansen & Quinn

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Athenaze → Hansen & Quinn

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So, we’re slowing working toward the end of Ἀθήναζε, as I mentioned before. We’re coming up on chapter 25 out of 30.

I’m thinking that when we finish Ἀθήναζε we will do another grammar study while reading and translating through an intermediate reader (like Lucian’s Ass or Lucian’s A True Story). The grammar study will come from Hansen and Quinn’s Greek: An Intensive Course.

Would anyone be interested in joining a group that works through Hansen & Quinn and an intermediate reader?

Let me know!

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Perhaps we’ll use Plato’s Apology since Geoffrey Steadman has included his textual commentary with running vocabulary for free on his WordPress site.

He has other options there, so we can be open to choose something else — or to read one text after another!

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jaihare wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:11 pm Perhaps we’ll use Plato’s Apology since Geoffrey Steadman has included his textual commentary with running vocabulary for free on his WordPress site.

He has other options there, so we can be open to choose something else — or to read one text after another!
Hi Jason, nice to meet you. I am new here.

Recently I am thinking starting a hobby of reading ancient Greek texts like the Plato’s dialogues.

Do you think it is good idea to dive right into Hansen & Quinn’s intensive course if I don’t have any knowledge on Greek?

Do you think I could join your study group?

Thank you very much 🙏🏼

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lracKK wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:24 pm Hi Jason, nice to meet you. I am new here.

Recently I am thinking starting a hobby of reading ancient Greek texts like the Plato’s dialogues.

Do you think it is good idea to dive right into Hansen & Quinn’s intensive course if I don’t have any knowledge on Greek?

Do you think I could join your study group?

Thank you very much 🙏🏼
This text is really not friendly to someone with zero knowledge of Greek. I would suggest that you start with Athenaze. Do you know of that text?

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Jason, this is a bit off topic from your post, but I have seen you (and others) recommend Athenaze before, even for those wanting to focus on New Testament koine. Mind telling me (us?) why? I have used Mounce BBG and am not necessarily looking for a starter grammar, but am curious why Athenaze seems to get positive support. Thanks!

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mikeatnip wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:19 am Jason, this is a bit off topic from your post, but I have seen you (and others) recommend Athenaze before, even for those wanting to focus on New Testament koine. Mind telling me (us?) why? I have used Mounce BBG and am not necessarily looking for a starter grammar, but am curious why Athenaze seems to get positive support. Thanks!
χαῖρε / שָׁלוֹם, Mike.

A good Koiné author will write in Attic fashion. The Koiné is directly related to Attic, and if you learn Attic Greek, you can already read the Koiné with very little adjustment. I recommend Athenaze because spending time reading stories in Greek will do nothing but advance your ability to read and comprehend. This ability can be directly transferred to your knowledge of the New Testament (and the Septuagint, which is also written in the Koiné). The main differences between Attic and Koiné lie in the dropping of the optative mood (which is good to know even for reading higher-level writings in the Koiné), the dropping of certain particles in (like δή in normal expression, though it also appears in higher-level Koiné), a simplified syntax (fewer sandwiched genitives [more frequently simple following the head noun], simpler left-to-right word order [not delaying the verb to the end of the phrase], etc.), and a vocabulary that is more saturated with Semitic concepts and a lexis that focuses more on issues of the people at the time.

The Basics of Biblical Greek (Mounce) really just covers the absolute basics. Once you've finished studying that textbook, you will be completely underqualified for reading the better books of the New Testament (such as Romans, Acts, and Hebrews). It just doesn't prepare the student to actually read the New Testament, except perhaps for 1 John and maybe the Gospel of John. If you study Athenaze, you will be able to read the more difficult portions of the New Testament without much difficulty once you've covered the period-specific vocabulary for those books.

I used BBG when I was 17 years old to learn basic NT Greek. I think it did more harm than good once I got to the point of wanting to just read the text. I just don't think it is sufficient to prepare someone for reading the New Testament—and it certainly doesn't prepare you for reading beyond the New Testament, even texts from within the wider Koiné textual corpus.

I will add: if you learned from BBG, you might do well to start over with Athenaze. It will fill in so many holes and get you reading Greek stories for enjoyment.

Regards,
Jason

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jaihare wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:51 pm
lracKK wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:24 pm Hi Jason, nice to meet you. I am new here.

Recently I am thinking starting a hobby of reading ancient Greek texts like the Plato’s dialogues.

Do you think it is good idea to dive right into Hansen & Quinn’s intensive course if I don’t have any knowledge on Greek?

Do you think I could join your study group?

Thank you very much 🙏🏼
This text is really not friendly to someone with zero knowledge of Greek. I would suggest that you start with Athenaze. Do you know of that text?
I will look for the text and start with it. Thank you for the recommendation!

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Thanks! That is what I was looking for, a nice, quick overview of the "why". I am past Mounce; I can read fairly comfortably the LXX and more difficult NT books, even though I do lack specific vocabulary. I hope to someday get into Philo and the Patristics, as well as some non-Christian original texts. I wish I had started with Athenaze years ago on my autodidactic journey, full of potholes and mudpits along the way. But alas I tried for too long to solo it. (You may recognize my name from the B-Hebrew site. I have finished Kutz and Josberger and can pick my way through the OT. Still lots of vocabulary to conquer, but I can "read" the text, which I try to do some daily.)

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