Use of preposition "en"

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Use of preposition "en"

Post by jr2ko » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:50 pm

Hello all, first post so please have mercy if this was posted in the wrong section. Was involved in some bible study and wondered was there a grammatical basis why the same Greek preposition "en" was translated "in" in 2Tim 1:9 and "by" in 1 Co 1:4 in the KJV?

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Re: Use of preposition "en"

Post by NateD26 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:28 pm

Both verses seemingly contain the same idea, that God's grace and gift was given in the form of Jesus.
The Revised Standard edition correctly changed KJV initial "by" to reflect it.
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Re: Use of preposition "en"

Post by jr2ko » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:26 am

NateD26 wrote:Both verses seemingly contain the same idea, that God's grace and gift was given in the form of Jesus. The Revised Standard edition correctly changed KJV initial "by" to reflect it.
I checked the RSV and in both instances "en" was translated "in". Both verses do contain the same idea which is why I'm puzzled as to why the preposition "en" was translated different in each passage.

I ask because if "en" were translated "by" in 2 tim 1:9 just as it was in 1 co 1:4, it would add more evidence to Christ's preincarnate existence, since it would suggest that Christ--the agent, was the giver of grace before time began. Would that be grammatically accurate or am I off?

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Re: Use of preposition "en"

Post by NateD26 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:34 pm

That would probably be a discussion more suited to Christian Theology forums.
From the Greek in these verses alone, there seems to be a clear distinction between God & Jesus.
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