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Post by jeidsath » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:34 pm

I spent some time looking into this today for no good reason.

Greece Macedonia: Name dispute draws mass protest in Athens

The man who has focused on one word for 23 years

It seems that manufactured identity based on dubious historical claims is a big deal in some parts of the world. However, getting another group to protest the existence and name of your group is clearly brilliant realpolitik. I can't imagine anything more certain to cement a still embryo political identity.
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Re: Macedonia

Post by ἑκηβόλος » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:05 am

The Ottoman millet system for governing was religiously, not geographically defined. Mapping the modern nation states onto the landscape could not have been without adjustments.
jeidsath wrote:It seems that manufactured identity based on dubious historical claims is a big deal in some parts of the world.
Nothing new in that ... For example:
Plutarch, Romulus, 2.1-2 wrote:Others again say that the Roma who gave her name to the city was a daughter of Italus and Leucaria, or, in another account, of Telephus the son of Heracles; and that she was married to Aeneas, or, in another version, to Ascanius the son of Aeneas. Some tell us that it was Romanus, a son of Odysseus and Circe, who colonized the city; others that it was Romus, who was sent from Troy by Diomedes the son of Emathion; and others still that it was Romis, tyrant of the Latins, after he had driven out the Tuscans, who passed from Thessaly into Lydia, and from Lydia into Italy. Moreover, even those writers who declare, in accordance with the most authentic tradition, that it was Romulus who gave his name to the city, do not agree about his lineage. [2] For some say that he was a son of Aeneas and Dexithea the daughter of Phorbas, and was brought to Italy in his infancy, along with his brother Romus; that the rest of the vessels were destroyed in the swollen river, but the one in which the boys were was gently directed to a grassy bank, where they were unexpectedly saved, and the place was called Roma from them. [3] Others say it was Roma, a daughter... etc
οὐ μέν πως πάντες βασιλεύσομεν ἐνθάδ᾽ Ἀχαιοί:
οὐκ ἀγαθὸν πολυκοιρανίη: εἷς κοίρανος ἔστω,
εἷς βασιλεύς, ᾧ δῶκε Κρόνου πάϊς ἀγκυλομήτεω
σκῆπτρόν τ᾽ ἠδὲ θέμιστας, ἵνά σφισι βουλεύῃσι. (Illiad 2.203-206)

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