How do you adjectivize a verb?

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How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by mariek » Sun Sep 28, 2003 2:56 am

<br />Let's say I want to say "drenched".<br /><br />I know the verb for "to drench" is madefacere.<br /><br />How would I turn this verb, madefacere, into an adjective?<br /><br /><br />For example, the French verb is tremper. One could adjectivize this by making it trempé(e). Is it possible to do something similar in Latin?<br /><br />

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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by benissimus » Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:19 am

A lot of the time you just take the past participle / 4th principal part. <br /><br />Facere - to make / Factus, -a, -um - made<br />Tacere - to be silent / Tacitus, -a, -um - silent<br />Madefacere - to drench / Madefactus, -a, -um - drenched<br /><br />And it just so turns out that we do have an adjective for this (courtesy of Words):<br />madefactus, madefacta, madefactum ADJ <br />wet, soaked, stained;<br /><br />Its literal meaning is "made wet" but hence we can translate it as "soaked/drenched/soggy/wet/etc".<br />
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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by mariek » Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:42 am

<br />Ah, the mysterious 4th principle part. The only thing I know about it is that it is the Perfect Passive Participle. What it's used for hasn't been covered yet. I guess that'll come much later. So that means that the 4th principle part of every verb is also the masculine adjective, and all we need to do is adjust the gender as necessary?<br /><br />The verb Madefacere is in my dictionary, but there is no mention of the adjective forms, Madefactus, -a, -um. Waaah! My dictionary is so lacking... :'(<br /><br />So for the soggy or drenched cat, I can say "feles madefacta"!<br /><br />Yes, I seem to be fixated on this wet cat...<br /><br />

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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by Episcopus » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:24 am

It's part adjective part verb. A bit like french..."cette viande est bien cuite" - Notice the e on the end of the participle to agree with la viande. (hah I didn't know you also to have made a reference to french! I'll live it there anyhow)<br /><br />The participles can be adjectives in "Tarpeia apud suos liberos interfectos sedet..." or with the verb esse to form the perfect/pluperfect/future perfect passive. <br /><br />As, "Tarpeia apud suos liberos qui interfecti sunt"<br />- who were slain<br />"...interfecti erant" <br />-who had been slain<br />"...interfecti erunt"<br />- who will have been slain (but that wouldn't really make sense heh)
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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by mariek » Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:58 pm

<br />Thanks for the examples. So it seems that Latin is a bit like French, and that sort of helps me remember things. :)<br />

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Post by Keesa » Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:25 pm

One question...<br /><br />Why a wet cat? The dry ones are much more cheerful. ;)
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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by Carola » Sun Sep 28, 2003 11:15 pm

I will resist the temptation to say rude things about cats!!! When you start reading more real Latin literature you will see participles used all the time - they are very important and probably deserve a tutorial (but I don't think I am at the stage of being able to write one yet). Oddly enough a lot of the Latin textbooks seem to skip past them rather lightly (although Allen & Greenough has a reasonable section on them). Latin uses them a lot where we seem to use a phrase in English.
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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by mariek » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:23 am

[quote author=Carola link=board=3;threadid=735;start=0#7161 date=1064790927]<br />Oddly enough a lot of the Latin textbooks seem to skip past them rather lightly (although Allen & Greenough has a reasonable section on them).[/quote]<br /><br />Why do you think textbooks gloss over these participles when they're so ubiquitous in Latin literature? I will have to take a look at A&G one of these days.<br /><br />

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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by benissimus » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:12 am

Well, they do tend to pack all of the different forms of the participles into a single chapter. I don't know if they necessarily are that hard, except in the multiple uses of the perfect passive... and people are often extremely weak in their English grammar concerning participles (among other things).
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Re:How do you adjectivize a verb?

Post by mariek » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:50 am

[quote author=benissimus link=board=3;threadid=735;start=0#7188 date=1064808727]<br />and people are often extremely weak in their English grammar concerning participles (among other things).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Boy is that the truth! I think I know more about French grammar than I do English grammar. I can't explain anything about English grammar to anyone, at least not in the correct grammatical lingo ... I can't even tell you what an English participle is :( ... I just speak the language. ::)<br /><br />

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