Orberg's LL: Eius vs Suus

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Orberg's LL: Eius vs Suus

Post by rustymason » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:30 pm

All the grammars I've seen say to use suus for a reflexive adjective for his own and eius for someone else's thingamajig. But in Hans Orberg's Lingua Latina, Familia Romana, on page 105, he writes:

Iam totum caput eius purum est. (Now his entire head is clean.)

Seems like suum should have been used. Vero?

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Post by Tertius Robertus » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:54 pm

Hi rustymanson;

the subject of that clause is caput, so that a reflexive use there would give a relation of possesion to the head itself, id est, the head would have something. It would not give it to the head owner, which is what he is saying. if recall correctly is marcus, referred somewhere else.

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Post by edonnelly » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:55 pm

I think it's eius because 'he' is not the subject of the sentence, head is. I think it would be suum if the sentence were something like "he was cleaning his (own) head."

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Post by rustymason » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:23 am

Agh! Iam video, teneo. Duh. Gratias.

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Post by Iulianus » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:13 am

Salve,

Although the posters before me were absolutely right, I would like to comment that in a typical 'real life' situation, you would most likely find 'caput suum', because the logical subject is 'he'.

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Post by vicentvs » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:52 am

And what about this sentence of Cap. XVIII, versus 67?
Magister suam cuique discipulo tabulam reddit.

why suam is used instead of eius? Every discipulus has a tabula that gives to he magister.

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Post by ingrid70 » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:32 am

I think suam cuique is idiomatic: to each his own. So suam refers to the cuique, not to the subject of the sentence. (The master returns to each student his own writing tablet).

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Post by Beatus Pistor » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:06 pm

Perhaps this might help...
OLD, "suus", B 1 b: "closely assoc. w. quisque; sim. uterque", with a similar example, I think: domus... suas quemque ire iubet Quad.hist.23.
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Post by Trulala » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:33 am

heh happy me, in georgian we also have different words for suus and eius

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Post by vicentvs » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:38 pm

In Cap XX, exercitium 5, we have:

Post decem annos Marcus miles erit et arma geret ut avuntulus EIUS.

Why eius and not suus? Perhaps because the final of the sentence would be... et arma geret ut avunculus eius gerit?

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