ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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Matt 2:6 wrote:ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
I'm struggling here with ὅστις. What would the change in meaning be if it had read ὅς instead of ὅστις? Any thoughts?
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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uberdwayne wrote:
Matt 2:6 wrote:ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
I'm struggling here with ὅστις. What would the change in meaning be if it had read ὅς instead of ὅστις? Any thoughts?
In the Koine the distinction between ὅς and ὅστις in the nominative is not maintained with any consistency in some authors. For discussion of this see the grammars: ATR p67 (bottom), 726.2, Moulton Prolg. 91-92, BDF §293, N. Turner, 2, 47-48, 117. Also the lexicons, Danker's 3rd, BDAG 730.3, Grimm-Thayer 457.5.
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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In the Koine the distinction between ὅς and ὅστις in the nominative is not maintained with any consistency in some authors. For discussion of this see the grammars: ATR p67 (bottom), 726.2, Moulton Prolg. 91-92, BDF §293, N. Turner, 2, 47-48, 117. Also the lexicons, Danker's 3rd, BDAG 730.3, Grimm-Thayer 457.5.
Thanks Clyde!

Do you know where I can get the first two references?
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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uberdwayne wrote:
In the Koine the distinction between ὅς and ὅστις in the nominative is not maintained with any consistency in some authors. For discussion of this see the grammars: ATR p67 (bottom), 726.2, Moulton Prolg. 91-92, BDF §293, N. Turner, 2, 47-48, 117. Also the lexicons, Danker's 3rd, BDAG 730.3, Grimm-Thayer 457.5.


Do you know where I can get the first two references?

http://lareopage.free.fr/ggnt/robertson_15.htm page down to p727.
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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uberdwayne wrote:
Matt 2:6 wrote:ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
What would the change in meaning be if it had read ὅς instead of ὅστις?
An argument could be made that the antecedent of your hypothetical ὃς would be closer in sense to ὁ ἡγούμενος than ἡγούμενος.

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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6

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Mt 2:6: Καὶ σύ, Βηθλέεμ γῆ Ἰούδα, οὐδαμῶς ἐλαχίστη εἶ ἐν τοῖς ἡγεμόσιν Ἰούδα: ἐκ σοῦ γὰρ ἐξελεύσεται ἡγούμενος, ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
Would your hypothetical ὃς, that is, change the sense of the passage from:
ἐκ σοῦ γὰρ ἐξελεύσεται ἡγούμενός τις, ὥστε ποιμαίνειν τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
to
ἐκ σοῦ γὰρ ἐξελεύσεται ὁ ἡγούμενος ὁ ποιμανῶν τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
?

Did anyone, Yahweh, Micah, Micah's audience, the LXX translators, Matthew, Matthew's audience, have any uncertainty as to who ὅστις is?

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