I'm struggling here with ὅστις. What would the change in meaning be if it had read ὅς instead of ὅστις? Any thoughts?Matt 2:6 wrote:ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6
In the Koine the distinction between ὅς and ὅστις in the nominative is not maintained with any consistency in some authors. For discussion of this see the grammars: ATR p67 (bottom), 726.2, Moulton Prolg. 91-92, BDF §293, N. Turner, 2, 47-48, 117. Also the lexicons, Danker's 3rd, BDAG 730.3, Grimm-Thayer 457.5.uberdwayne wrote:I'm struggling here with ὅστις. What would the change in meaning be if it had read ὅς instead of ὅστις? Any thoughts?Matt 2:6 wrote:ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6
Thanks Clyde!In the Koine the distinction between ὅς and ὅστις in the nominative is not maintained with any consistency in some authors. For discussion of this see the grammars: ATR p67 (bottom), 726.2, Moulton Prolg. 91-92, BDF §293, N. Turner, 2, 47-48, 117. Also the lexicons, Danker's 3rd, BDAG 730.3, Grimm-Thayer 457.5.
Do you know where I can get the first two references?
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6
uberdwayne wrote:In the Koine the distinction between ὅς and ὅστις in the nominative is not maintained with any consistency in some authors. For discussion of this see the grammars: ATR p67 (bottom), 726.2, Moulton Prolg. 91-92, BDF §293, N. Turner, 2, 47-48, 117. Also the lexicons, Danker's 3rd, BDAG 730.3, Grimm-Thayer 457.5.
Do you know where I can get the first two references?
http://lareopage.free.fr/ggnt/robertson_15.htm page down to p727.
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6
An argument could be made that the antecedent of your hypothetical ὃς would be closer in sense to ὁ ἡγούμενος than ἡγούμενος.uberdwayne wrote:What would the change in meaning be if it had read ὅς instead of ὅστις?Matt 2:6 wrote:ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
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Re: ὅστις in Matt 2:6
Would your hypothetical ὃς, that is, change the sense of the passage from:Mt 2:6: Καὶ σύ, Βηθλέεμ γῆ Ἰούδα, οὐδαμῶς ἐλαχίστη εἶ ἐν τοῖς ἡγεμόσιν Ἰούδα: ἐκ σοῦ γὰρ ἐξελεύσεται ἡγούμενος, ὅστις ποιμανεῖ τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
toἐκ σοῦ γὰρ ἐξελεύσεται ἡγούμενός τις, ὥστε ποιμαίνειν τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
?ἐκ σοῦ γὰρ ἐξελεύσεται ὁ ἡγούμενος ὁ ποιμανῶν τὸν λαόν μου τὸν Ἰσραήλ.
Did anyone, Yahweh, Micah, Micah's audience, the LXX translators, Matthew, Matthew's audience, have any uncertainty as to who ὅστις is?