Iliad book 1 line 204 query

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Iliad book 1 line 204 query

Post by Phoebus Apollo » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:25 pm

ἀλλ᾽ ἔκ τοι ἐρέω, τὸ δὲ καὶ τελέεσθαι ὀΐω - but I will tell you, and I think this will be fulfilled.

What is the point of the ἔκ? Does it just get ignored in translation?
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Post by Timothée » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:01 pm

Cunliffe has the following for ἐκ:
Richard John Cunliffe wrote:(I) Adv. (5) Of speaking, etc., indicating absence of restraint, out, right out, aloud.
He then cites this and Ζ 471. I don’t know how Liddell ’n’ Scott explain it; they may not even recognise the word ἐκ as an adverb, at least not in the same way as Cunliffe does.

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Post by Phoebus Apollo » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:43 pm

Timothée wrote:Cunliffe has the following for ἐκ:
Richard John Cunliffe wrote:(I) Adv. (5) Of speaking, etc., indicating absence of restraint, out, right out, aloud.
He then cites this and Ζ 471. I don’t know how Liddell ’n’ Scott explain it; they may not even recognise the word ἐκ as an adverb, at least not in the same way as Cunliffe does.

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Post by jeidsath » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:24 pm

Liddell and Scott see this as tmesis for ἐξερέω:
ἐξερέω (A), Att. contr. ἐξερῶ, fut. of ἐξεῖπον (q.v.):—I

A. [select] will speak out, tell out, utter aloud, Hom. always abs. in sg., “ἐξερέω” Il.8.286, 12.215, Od.9.365, al.; in tmesi, “ἔκ τοι ἐρέω” Il.1.204, 233, al.: c. acc. in Trag., “τἀληθὲς ἐξερῶ” S.OT800, cf. 219, etc.: c. dupl. acc., “τοιαῦτά τοι νὼ πᾶς τις ἐ.” Id.El.984; “ἐ. ὅτι . .” Id.Ant.325:—after Hom., also pf.Act. “ἐξείρηκα” Id.Tr.350, 374: 3sg. plpf. Pass. “ἐξείρητο” Id.OT984: 3sg. fut. Pass. “ἐξειρήσεται” Id.Tr.1186.
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