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Athenaze questions
I figured I should consolidate my Athenaze questions here, since they will likely grow more numerous in the coming days.
In Chapter VII, we have:
"Ὁ Ὀδυσσε?ς," φησίν, "καὶ οἱ ἑταῖ?οι α?τοῦ πολλὰ καὶ δεινὰ πάσχουσιν, πολλάκις χειμῶνας ὑπέχουσιν, καὶ οἱ μὲν σῴζονται, οἱ δὲ ?ν τῇ θαλάττῃ ἀποθνῄσκουσιν. ..."
Am I to understand from the last phrase that, "and some were saved, but others died in the sea" ? Is that the correct interpretation of the μὲν...δὲ construction?
In Chapter VII, we have:
"Ὁ Ὀδυσσε?ς," φησίν, "καὶ οἱ ἑταῖ?οι α?τοῦ πολλὰ καὶ δεινὰ πάσχουσιν, πολλάκις χειμῶνας ὑπέχουσιν, καὶ οἱ μὲν σῴζονται, οἱ δὲ ?ν τῇ θαλάττῃ ἀποθνῄσκουσιν. ..."
Am I to understand from the last phrase that, "and some were saved, but others died in the sea" ? Is that the correct interpretation of the μὲν...δὲ construction?
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Yes.Lucus Eques wrote: Is that the correct interpretation of the μὲν...δὲ construction?
Attend to the tense!
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Prompted by Luci question, I peeked ahead to Chapter 6 and noticed some (language) discrepancies between my Italian edition and my 2 second-hand English editions:
English Book 1, revised 1st edition, 1990
Exercise 6k
4. επει γιγνεται η νυξ, η πα?θενος ε?χεται π?ος τας πυλας.
When night falls, the girl goes to the gates.
Italian Book 1, 2002
Esercizio 6m
4. Επει νυξ γιγνεται, η πα?θενος ε?χεται π?ος τας πυλας.
When night falls, the girl goes to the gates.
English Book 1, 2nd edition, 20?? (titlepage missing - used book!)
Exercise 6η
7. επει νυξ γιγνεται, η Α?ιαδνη π?ος το δεσμωτη?ιον π?οσε?χεται.
When night falls, Ariadne approaches the prison.
My problem concerns the ’night falls’ phrase: a) why the change in word order? b) why did ’night’ lose its 1990 definite article?
I can’t comment accents because I haven't worked out how to write them on my XP pc yet.
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English Book 1, revised 1st edition, 1990
Exercise 6k
4. επει γιγνεται η νυξ, η πα?θενος ε?χεται π?ος τας πυλας.
When night falls, the girl goes to the gates.
Italian Book 1, 2002
Esercizio 6m
4. Επει νυξ γιγνεται, η πα?θενος ε?χεται π?ος τας πυλας.
When night falls, the girl goes to the gates.
English Book 1, 2nd edition, 20?? (titlepage missing - used book!)
Exercise 6η
7. επει νυξ γιγνεται, η Α?ιαδνη π?ος το δεσμωτη?ιον π?οσε?χεται.
When night falls, Ariadne approaches the prison.
My problem concerns the ’night falls’ phrase: a) why the change in word order? b) why did ’night’ lose its 1990 definite article?
I can’t comment accents because I haven't worked out how to write them on my XP pc yet.
Cheers,
Int
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This takes us into tricky waters of stylistics and idiom. My guess would be someone found an example in actual Greek which caused them to update the wording.Interaxus wrote:My problem concerns the ’night falls’ phrase: a) why the change in word order? b) why did ’night’ lose its 1990 definite article
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I've never seen it suggested that the accent in Greek was anything but obligatory.Lucus Eques wrote:Are word accents where one MUST change pitch, or merely places where one MAY raise the pitch?
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There is — σφῷν — but I doubt you'd find it terribly often in prose.Interaxus wrote:Or is there some dual dative pronoun around the corner?
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