pay tribute / οισομεν ???

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pay tribute / οισομεν ???

Post by Asterisk1234 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:10 pm

Mastronarde Unit 18, exercise III (Reading), number 7. (page 153)
"τω προτερω ετει περι των χρηματων ουκ επειθομεθα τω βαρβαρω τυραννω, ουδε φορον αυτω αυθις οισομεν"
The answer key gives "In the previous year we did not obey the foreign tyrant concerning the money, nor will we pay tribute to him in the future"
My problem is with the last part of the answer, i.e., "nor will we pay tribute to him in the future". I see ... nor tribute to him..., but I understand "αυθισ οισομεν" to mean "again we will think (or believe or suppose)".
What is going on here? Is there some kind of idiom involved?
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Re: pay tribute / οισομεν ???

Post by jeidsath » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:19 pm

φέρω is a bit of a wild verb. Its future is οἴσω, and it has aorists ἤνεγκα/ἤνεγκον. You'll find that the LSJ has a full discussion of its forms.
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Re: pay tribute / οισομεν ???

Post by polemistes » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:51 pm

Also notice that οἴομαι doesn't have an active form, and it's future is οἰήσομαι (3rd. pl. οἰησόμεθα).

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Post by seneca2008 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:56 pm

Joel is right.

Edit: on p. 140 you will see the following, so you don't need to look anything up in a dictionary, although it is always interesting to do so:

iii). ... φόρον φέρουσιν. They pay tribute.

The principle parts of φέρω are given on page 52 unit 5.

φέρω, οἴσω, ἤνεγκον or ἤνεγκα (stem ἐνεγκ-), ἐνήνοχα, ἐνήνεγμαι, ἠνέχθην

On p 151 Mastronade says

"2. If you have not already been studying principal parts other than the present, begin learning the second and third principal parts now. Review the lists in Units 5, 9, 10, 11, 13, 16, and 17, and here. The online supplements include compiled and classified lists of principal parts for Units 5–20, which will also help you learn these principal parts."

This is good advice.

οἴσω is glossed on p 461.

Middle Liddle has the following entry for φέρω

"IV
5. to pay something due or owing, φόρον φέρειν to pay as tax or tribute, Thuc.; μισθὸν φ. Xen. (but also to receive pay, Ar., Thuc.):—of property, to bring in, yield as rent, Isae."

(you can access it through legion here: https://logeion.uchicago.edu/φέρω

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Post by donhamiltontx » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:08 pm

Knowing these parts pays further dividends, because φέρω has several compounds, some of which show up rather frequently. The list of them below comes from E. C. Ferguson, An Aid to Greek at Sight (Chicago 1890). That book covers more than the title suggests, including giving a number of compound verbs. My copy came from archive.org, I think, but I can't locate it now. PM me if you would like me to furnish you a copy.

ἀναφέρω, ἀντιφέρω, ἀποφέρω, διαφέρω, εἰσφέρω
ἐκφέρω, ἐπιφέρω, καταφέρω, μεταφέρω, παραφέρω
περιφέρω, προφέρω, προσφέρω, συμφέρω, ὑπερφέρω
ὑποφέρω
ἐς Τροίαν πειρώμενοι ἦνθον ᾿Αχαιοί,
καλλίστα παίδων: πείρᾳ θην πάντα τελεῖται.
Theocritus, Idyll 15

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Re: pay tribute / οισομεν ???

Post by Asterisk1234 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:50 pm

Many thanks to all -
As usual, you gave me excellent guidance and solved my problem. I will spare you my lengthy excuses for getting so confused...
Best regards to everyone.

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