Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

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Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by bedwere » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:07 pm

How do I get a list of the headwords with long ᾱ ῑ ῡ in LJS from Perseus? Thanks!

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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by ἑκηβόλος » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:18 pm

Are you wanting to restrict the search to long vowels in initial position or anywhere in the headword?
τί δὲ ἀγαθὸν τῇ πομφόλυγι συνεστώσῃ ἢ κακὸν διαλυθείσῃ;

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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by jeidsath » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:33 pm

Download the .txt file from here and do a file search:

https://archive.org/details/Lsj--LiddellScott

There are different unicode combining character encoding schemes, and to get vim search for ᾱ to work for me, I found that instead of searching for the version that my keyboard makes, I needed to copy an example of ᾱ from the file and search for that.
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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by bedwere » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:52 pm

Thank you, Joel. The text file you kindly provided seems to have combined characters, but this works using sed:
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varda-lionel:echo "ῡ" | hexdump -C
00000000 cf 85 cc 84 0a |.....|
00000005
varda-lionel:sed -n '/\xcf\x85\xcc\x84/p' lsj.txt | less

varda-lionel:echo "ᾱ" | hexdump -C
00000000 ce b1 cc 84 0a |.....|
00000005
varda-lionel:sed -n '/\xce\xb1\xcc\x84/p' lsj.txt | less


varda-lionel:echo "ῑ" | hexdump -C
00000000 ce b9 cc 84 0a |.....|
00000005
varda-lionel:sed -n '/\xce\xb9\xcc\x84/p' lsj.txt | less
And it finds the long vowels anywhere.

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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by jeidsath » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:06 pm

bedwere wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:52 pm
And it finds the long vowels anywhere.
If you would only like to find it only on the headword line, notice that this is the format:
************************************************************

<headword>, <body>
<body cont.>
So you can use
grep -A2 '************************************************************' | cut -d',' -f0


and pipe that into sed to get only the headwords.

You may find some entry inconsistencies however. And vowel length discussion is sometimes buried inside the entry instead of included in the headword.
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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by bedwere » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:28 pm

I guess I had to add the name of the file, but it gives me an error:
grep -A2 '************************************************************' lsj.txt | cut -d',' -f0
cut: fields are numbered from 1
Try 'cut --help' for more information

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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by jeidsath » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Oh, change that to '-f1'. Newer versions of coreutils correctly flag '-f0' as an error, which bites old engineers like me used to it getting silently accepted.
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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by bedwere » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:20 pm

Thanks, Joel. This works best for me:
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grep -A2 '\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*' lsj.txt | sed -n '/\xcf\x85\xcc\x84/p'
grep -A2 '\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*' lsj.txt | sed -n '/\xce\xb1\xcc\x84/p'

grep -A2 '\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*' lsj.txt | sed -n '/\xce\xb9\xcc\x84/p'

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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by jeidsath » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:02 pm

Sorry about that. I finally did it on a computer and fixed my code:
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grep -F -A2 '******' lsj.txt | cut -d ',' -f1 | grep $'\xcf\x85\xcc\x84'
grep -F -A2 '******' lsj.txt | cut -d ',' -f1 | grep $'\xce\xb1\xcc\x84'
grep -F -A2 '******' lsj.txt | cut -d ',' -f1 | grep $'\xce\xb9\xcc\x84'
It would probably be useful to convert the whole file to unicode NFC if you're doing much searching with it.

It would likely be extremely useful work for you or I to look over these lists carefully and generate a ruleset for vowel length, equivalent to what people like Chandler did for accent.
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Re: Long vowels ᾱῑῡ

Post by bedwere » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:01 am

That works in bash. I'm not familiar with Chandler. Would you care to explain?

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