Eur. Med. 1112 λύει ... ἐπιβάλλειν (λύει +inf.)

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Eur. Med. 1112 λύει ... ἐπιβάλλειν (λύει +inf.)

Post by ἑκηβόλος » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:36 am

1112 - 1115 wrote:πῶς οὖν λύει πρὸς τοῖς ἄλλοις
τήνδ᾽ ἔτι λύπην ἀνιαροτάτην
παίδων ἕνεκεν
θνητοῖσι θεοὺς ἐπιβάλλειν; 1115
Two questions here:
Is this some type of impersonal construction with λύει?
What noun is understood with πρὸς τοῖς ἄλλοις (sc. ???)?
Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!
No hungry generations tread thee down;
The voice I hear this passing night was heard
In ancient days by emperor and clown:
(Keats, Ode to a nightingale, 1819).

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Re: Eur. Med. 1112 λύει ... ἐπιβάλλειν (λύει +inf.)

Post by mwh » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:00 pm

1. λύει = λυσιτελεῖ.
2. None. Cf. e.g. και τα λοιπα = κτλ = etc.

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Re: Eur. Med. 1112 λύει ... ἐπιβάλλειν (λύει +inf.)

Post by ἑκηβόλος » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:41 pm

LSJ, λύω wrote:V.2. τέλη λύειν, = λυσιτελεῖν, pay, profit. avail, ἔνθα μὴ τέλη λύει φρονοῦντι where it boots not to be wise, S.OT 316: but more freq. λύει without τέλη, construed like λυσιτελεῖ, abs., “λύει δ᾽ ἄλγος” E.Med.1362, cf. PSI4.400.16: c. dat. pers., “φημὶ τοιούτους γάμους λύειν βροτοῖσιν” E.Alc.628, cf.Hipp.441: c. inf., πῶς οὖν λύει . . ἐπιβάλλειν; Id.Med.1112 (anap.); ἐμοί τελύειτοῖσιμέλλουσιν τέκνοις τὰ ζῶντ᾽ ὀνῆσαι it is good for me to benefit my living children by means of those to come, ib.566; “λύει ἀπελθεῖν” UPZ77i12 (ii B.C.): c. acc. et inf., λύει γὰρ ἡμᾶς οὐδέν, οὐδ᾽ ἐπωφελεῖ, . . θανεῖν it is not expedient that we should die (οὐδ᾽ ἐπωφελεῖ being parenthetic), S.El. 1005; “οὐ γάρ με λύει . . κακορροθεῖσθαι” E.Sthen.Prol.35; cf. λυσιτελέω.
Two more questions:
Assuming that λύει means "fulfil", "accomplish" in this context, which meaning of τέλη is used (understood) in that phrase? Is it "expenditure"?
Does (anap.) in reference to this line in LSJ mean "anapest" (˘ ˘ ¯), if so, I'm confused, isn't the upsilon of λύω long?
Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!
No hungry generations tread thee down;
The voice I hear this passing night was heard
In ancient days by emperor and clown:
(Keats, Ode to a nightingale, 1819).

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Re: Eur. Med. 1112 λύει ... ἐπιβάλλειν (λύει +inf.)

Post by jeidsath » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:20 pm

See dues (1.8) in the τέλος article. Maybe also 1.6 (dues to the gods).

For anapests, see mwh’s post on them in the pinned “meter in tragedy” thread.
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