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imperfect of πειθω?

Post by hlawson38 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:38 pm

This replaces a query I answered on my own. I don't know how to just delete a query once it has appeared. :-(

The way I found the answer was this: I did a google search on the exact Greek word that was bothering me. Among the hits was a dictionary entry that showed me that I had confused one word with another word.

That's my "Hail Mary" play for this kind of problem.

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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by jeidsath » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:50 pm

Why don't you post what you found, so that others can find the answer too when they stumble across this thread? (I always have trouble keeping forms of πείθω and πάσχω apart myself).
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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by hlawson38 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:04 pm

jeidsath wrote:Why don't you post what you found, so that others can find the answer too when they stumble across this thread? (I always have trouble keeping forms of πείθω and πάσχω apart myself).
I confused two different words,
#1. πειθω
#2. επιθuμεω.

The problematic word in the exercise was επεθυμουν, which the answer key translated "were eager to".

I was trying to make επεθυμουν be a form of #1, πειθω, which led me into much confusion. That in turn led to my Hail Mary google search on επεθυμουν, which made me decide to stop looking at πειθω.

I'm leaving the middle/passive of πειθω for another day. I'm still too weak at punching the verb tables to get to this quickly.

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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by jeidsath » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:42 pm

"επεθυμουν"

It can be easy to miss the augment on επι- verbs. If you aren't ready for it, you might see ε-πεθυμ-ουν (augment-root-suffix) when it's actually επ-ε-θυμ-ουν (prefix-augment-root-suffix)
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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by hlawson38 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:31 pm

jeidsath wrote:"επεθυμουν"

It can be easy to miss the augment on επι- verbs. If you aren't ready for it, you might see ε-πεθυμ-ουν (augment-root-suffix) when it's actually επ-ε-θυμ-ουν (prefix-augment-root-suffix)
Many thanks, jeidsath!

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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by npc » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:07 pm

hlawson38 wrote: The way I found the answer was this: I did a google search on the exact Greek word that was bothering me. Among the hits was a dictionary entry that showed me that I had confused one word with another word.

That's my "Hail Mary" play for this kind of problem.
I'm curious as to why you'd do a Google search for this before using the Perseus word study tool?
Example:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... ek#lexicon

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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by mwh » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:46 pm

Perhaps a little morphology would have helped. There’s no way επεθυμουν could have anything to do with πείθω. πειθ- could not reduce to πεθ-, and where would the –υμ- have come from? (θυμ- on the other hands, is very common, θυμος etc.etc.) And remember that the imperfect of –ω verbs is always perfectly regular, and uses the present stem, with augment: επειθ-ον –ες –ε(ν) –ομεν –ετε –ον. Unlike Latin, where you have all those pesky conjugations to contend with.

Easy in retrospect, of course.

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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by hlawson38 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:08 pm

npc wrote:
hlawson38 wrote: The way I found the answer was this: I did a google search on the exact Greek word that was bothering me. Among the hits was a dictionary entry that showed me that I had confused one word with another word.

That's my "Hail Mary" play for this kind of problem.
I'm curious as to why you'd do a Google search for this before using the Perseus word study tool?
Example:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... ek#lexicon
I haven't figured out how to use Perseus for Greek.

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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by donhamiltontx » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:14 am

hlawson38 wrote:I haven't figured out how to use Perseus for Greek.
There are instructions at DIY Classics for creating a keyboard shortcut to Perseus Latin or Greek here
https://diyclassics.com/2014/08/15/sear ... e-firefox/

The instructions are for the Latin dictionary, but just a tiny change makes it work for Greek, too. Hope this helps.
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Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Post by hlawson38 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:38 pm

Many thanks donhamiltontx and mwh for the comments.

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