grammar qn: pindar, olympian 1

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grammar qn: pindar, olympian 1

Post by chad » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:01 am

hi, i've just finished reading pindar olympian 1, and i've figured out the grammar for each word except i'm still confused about one word... i'm prob. being an idiot overlooking something but can someone please explain how [face=SPIonic]fre/naj[/face] is being used here:

(1) as an object (although it'd be an "object" of a passive participle)?
(2) as accusative of respect? or
(3) something else?

[face=SPIonic]fqe/gcomai ... to/t' )Aglaotri/ainan a(rpa/sai dame/nta fre/naj i(me/rw|[/face]

i (Pindar) declare...(blah blah).. then [still indirect discourse] the Glorious-Trident (Poseiden) to seize (Pelops) [all of this is fine....] (him: i.e. Poseidon) being overpowered [aor part pass masc acc sg, agreeing with implied masc acc sg "poseidon"(?)] in respect of his wits? with desire...

or is [face=SPIonic]fre/naj[/face] (fem acc pl) the object of the passive participle? is that possible? i just can't work out how it fits in, because it doesn't agree with the passive participle... thanks, chad. :)

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Post by whiteoctave » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:26 am

morning chad,

phrenas serves as an accustive of respect (aka accusative of sphere) given qualification to the damenta. Your bolded translation is correct.

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Post by chad » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:16 am

once again dave, thanks very much for your help!! :) :) i'm gonna try now to work through the rest of the olympians, because i really like olympian 1; no doubt i'll be back with more questions if i can't find the answers in the commentaries. cheers, chad. :)

btw, given your massive personal library, what are you reading at the moment? :)

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Post by whiteoctave » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:04 am

i'm spending quite a lot of time on verse composition at the moment, betwixt the lexicography. for leisure, i am currently reading aeschylean choruses, though that is often easier said than done!

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