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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Fri May 13, 2016 9:18 pm

ἀναγνούς ἐνίας φράσεις ἐκ τῆς ἀναβάσεως ἔγλαψα μίαν φρασὶν περὶ τοῦ Καίσαρος.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sat May 14, 2016 7:24 pm

ἀναγνούς δύσκολον φρασὶν ἐκ τῆς ἀναβάσεως καὶ μόνον ἔπειτα ἀληθινῶς αὐτὸν ἠκρίβωσα.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sun May 15, 2016 6:50 pm

τήμερον ἔγνως μέρος τῆς τοῦ Στράβωνος γεωγραφικῆς εὔελπις ὤν εὔκολον εἶναι. συλλήβδην δ' εἰπεῖν εὔκολον δὴ ἦν. Ξενοφῶν μέντοι ἔραψε ἐγείρουσαν βίβλον μᾶλλον ἤ Στράβων.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Mon May 16, 2016 8:23 pm

ἐμνημόνευσα φρασίν τινα τῆς ἀναβάσεως ἔμαθον τὴν τῆς Ρυσσελλος βιβλίον.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Tue May 17, 2016 10:50 pm

ἐπών τὸν ἰατρόν καὶ ἰών ἐπὶ τὴν ἀγορὰν ἐμνημόνευον φράσεις.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Wed May 18, 2016 6:21 pm

ἐπεχείρησα τὴν ἀνάβασιν ἀναγνῶναι ἀλλ οὐκ ἐδυνάμην κακὼς καθεύδων. ἀντὶ ἐκεινοῦ ἤκουσα ᾠδήν
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Thu May 19, 2016 9:39 pm

ἀνέγνωσαν μεγάλη τε φωνῇ καὶ ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν ὁμοιοπαθῶς περὶ τὴν μάχην ἐπὶ Κουνάξᾳ.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Fri May 20, 2016 9:43 pm

ἀναγνούς μέρος τῆς ἀναβάσεως νῦν ἀνέγνωκα τὴν πᾶσαν πρωτὴν βίβλον
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sat May 21, 2016 9:32 pm

οὐδὲν νέον τήμερον ἀνέγνως ἀλλὰ πάλιν ἀνέγνως μέρος τῆς ἀναβάσεως καὶ τέλος ἀνέγνως μεγάλῃ φωνῇ
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sun May 22, 2016 9:24 pm

τήμερον ἔμαθον τὰς τῆς ἑλληνικῆς γλώσσης τάσεις τῇ τῆς Ρυσσελλος βίβλῳ.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Mon May 23, 2016 9:43 pm

ἔγραψε περὶ προσταγῆς ὃς οἰόμενος λαβεῖν εἰρήνην ἤγαγον τὴν αὐτοῦ πόλεως εἰς πόλεμον.
http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-foru ... 28&t=65056
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Tue May 24, 2016 8:53 pm

τήμερον ἔμαθον τὸ αὐτον ἔργον ὡς προχθές ἀλλὰ χρῶν τῆς τῶν Ταιλορος καί Ανδερσονος βίβλου ἀντὶ τῆς τῆς Ρυσσελος.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Wed May 25, 2016 10:10 pm

ἀνέγνως τὴν τοῦ Ξενοφῶντος ἀναβᾶσιν ζητῶν παραδείγματα
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Thu May 26, 2016 10:37 pm

τήμερον ἔμαθον τὴν τῆς Ρυσσελλος βίβλον ἁμαρτάνων μείων
νυκτὸς ἢ τὸ πρόσθεν..
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Fri May 27, 2016 10:25 pm

τήμερον ἔμαθον τῆν βίβλον Ολενδορφ ὄνομα. καίπερ δυσκόλου οὔσης πολλάκις ἡμάρτανον.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by mwh » Sat May 28, 2016 2:26 am

θέλεις λέγειν "καίπερ οὐ δυσκόλου οὔσης πολλάκις ἡμάρτανον"; Either way, the grammar is good!

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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sat May 28, 2016 10:23 pm

ὑπἦρξα γραψειν μυθυς χρῶν λογους ἐκ τῆς βιβλου Ολενδορφος ὄνομα.
mwh wrote:θέλεις λέγειν "καίπερ οὐ δυσκόλου οὔσης πολλάκις ἡμάρτανον"; Either way, the grammar is good!
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

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Try ὑπῆρξα γράφων μύθους χρώμενος λόγοις …

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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sun May 29, 2016 10:00 pm

γράψας μῦθον, νῦν αὐτὸν ἐπανορθῶ.
mwh wrote:Try ὑπῆρξα γράφων μύθους χρώμενος λόγοις …

ὑπῆρξα γράφων μῦθον χρῶν λογους ἐκ τῆς βιβλου Ολενδορφος ὄνομα.



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(I took ages trying to get ἐκ τῆς βιβλου Ολενδορφος ὄνομα right I forgot about the first half. :(
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Mon May 30, 2016 9:26 pm

τήμερον ἤκουσα ᾠδήν (οὐ ἀμέλει καλῶς ἐκαθεύδησα)
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Tue May 31, 2016 10:14 pm

ἐμνημόνευσα μὲν μικρὸν μέρος τῆς ἀναβάσεως ἀνέγνων μῦθον γραφέντα ὑπὸ Αἰσώπου.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:19 pm

τήμερον βοηθῶν τοῖς ἐπιχειρέουσι ἐν τῇ ἁμίλλῃ ἵνα μένομεν ἐν τῇ τῆς Εὐρωπείης συμμαχίᾳ, μόνον ἐδυνάμην μνημονεύσειν βαδίζων.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:36 pm

τήμερον ἔγνως μέρος Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων. καίπερ λογῶν δυσκόλων ὄντων τὸ δὲ σύμπαν αὕτη ἡ βίβλος οὐ ἦν λίαν δύσκολος.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:20 pm

τήμερον ἔγνως τὸ μέρος Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων περὶ Πέτρου λέγοντος τοὺς τοῦ προφήτου Ἰωήλ. ἡ γλώσσα ἦν ἀήθης.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:51 pm

ἐμελέτων τὴν Ἑλληνικὴν γλώσσαν τῇ τῆς Ρυσσελος βιβλίῳ ἥ καίπερ λίαν δύσκολος οὖσα ὅμως χρησίμη ἐστίν.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

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daivid wrote:τήμερον ἔγνως τὸ μέρος Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων περὶ Πέτρου λέγοντος τοὺς τοῦ προφήτου Ἰωήλ. ἡ γλώσσα ἦν ἀήθης.
Daivid - did you mean ἔγνων? (This also occurs in a couple of your other recent posts here.)

With τοὺς is (e.g.) λογους to be understood?

I'm also not entirely sure about γλώσσα. In English, we sometimes say 'The language was unfamiliar', when what we mean is not really the language itself, but the style or specialist vocabulary; I'm unclear whether the same idiom exists in Greek, or whether (say) λέξις might be preferable here. But this is just a tentative thought - perhaps one of our resident experts could advise.

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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:02 pm

ἀκούσας Ιοελος λέγοντος τὴν ἀνάβασιν ἀναγιγνώσκων ἔλεγον ἐμαυτὸν τοὺς τοῦ Ξενοφῶντος λόγους.
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daivid wrote:τήμερον ἔγνως τὸ μέρος Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων περὶ Πέτρου λέγοντος τοὺς τοῦ προφήτου Ἰωήλ. ἡ γλώσσα ἦν ἀήθης.
Daivid - did you mean ἔγνων? (This also occurs in a couple of your other recent posts here.)
Thanks, I of course intended ἀνέγνων. :oops:
John W. wrote: With τοὺς is (e.g.) λογους to be understood?

I'm also not entirely sure about γλώσσα. In English, we sometimes say 'The language was unfamiliar', when what we mean is not really the language itself, but the style or specialist vocabulary; I'm unclear whether the same idiom exists in Greek, or whether (say) λέξις might be preferable here. But this is just a tentative thought - perhaps one of our resident experts could advise.

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That makes sense. Thanks for making me aware of that.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:36 pm

ἔμαθον τὸ αὐτο ἐμελέτων μὲν τῇ τῆς Ρυσσελλος βιβλίῳ καὶ μνημονεύσω φράσιν ἐκ Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:07 pm

ἔγραψα μῦθον περὶ χαλεποῦ ἀνδρός χρῶν λόγους ἐκ Ολλενδορφφος.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:36 pm

ἔπειρον σὺν πόνῳ ἀκριβοῦν μίαν φρασὶν ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Ξενοφῶντος ἀναβάσεως.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:33 pm

ἐξελθὸν ἐκ οἰκίας φέρων γραφθείσας φράσεις ἵνα αὐτας μνημονεύσω καὶ δὴ ἐμνημόνευσα μίαν φρασίν. ἐπειτα πού ἀπέλειψα αὐτας.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:31 pm

ἀπολιπών τὸν τῆς φράσεων κατάλογον ἐχθές ἔγραψα φρασὶν καλάμῳ ἰών τῆς οἰκίας.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:32 pm

πορευόμενος μὲν ἐμνημόνευσα φρασὶν τινὰ ἐκ Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων, ἐπανελθὼν δὲ ἀνέγνως φρασὶν ἐκ τῆς αὐτῆς βίβλου.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

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Just a few things daivid.
ἔγραψα μῦθον περὶ χαλεποῦ ἀνδρός χρῶν λόγους ἐκ Ολλενδορφφος.
χρῶν or χρώμενος? And is λόγους the right case to use with this verb?
ἔπειρον σὺν πόνῳ ἀκριβοῦν μίαν φρασὶν ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Ξενοφῶντος ἀναβάσεως.
Xenophon wrote ἐπειρᾶτο. Middle, and a contract verb. So your ἔπειρον should be …?
ἐξελθὸν ἐκ οἰκίας φέρων γραφθείσας φράσεις ἵνα αὐτας μνημονεύσω καὶ δὴ ἐμνημόνευσα μίαν φρασίν.
You mean ἐξελθὼν or ἐξῆλθον?

Aor. pass. of γράφω is ἐγράφην, the “2nd” or “strong” aorist form, formed directly on the stem (γραφ-). So your γραφθείσας should be …?

Smyth has a useful appendix of verbs including their principal parts.
πορευόμενος μὲν ἐμνημόνευσα φρασὶν τινὰ ἐκ Πράξεων τῶν Ἀποστόλων, ἐπανελθὼν δὲ ἀνέγνως φρασὶν ἐκ τῆς αὐτῆς βίβλου.
A fine sentence (except for ἀνέγνως, a mistake you make too often. –ς is second person sing., -ν first, cf. e.g. ἦλθοΝ vs. ἦλθεΣ.) (And φρασιν accent should be φράσιν.)
Something you’re doing (Ollendorff?, Xenophon?, I don’t know) is paying off.

One general note. Your word order tends to be very English. There's nothing actually wrong about that, and I know I advised you not to worry too much about word order, but you might try sometimes putting verbs after their objects, for instance. E.g. instead of ἔγραψα μῦθον you could write μῦθον ἔγραψα. Not necessary, and doesn’t make a whole lot of difference, but gives prominence to the story rather than to the writing (though that may be what you wanted). Observing Xenophon’s practice should help.

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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:29 pm

ἀνέγνων μέρος τῆς ἀναβάσεως πειρῶν λέγειν κάλλιον καὶ δηλότερον.

Thanks Michael for all those comments. I am still digesting them but thanks for pointing out ἀνέγνως. Not at all sure why I kept making that mistake.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

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Yes do do what you can with those comments daivid. In this latest, you make πειρῶν a contract verb ok but it should be in the middle rather than the active. And adverbs normally precede the verb they apply to. But your forms are good, and what you are saying is crystal clear.

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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:01 am

μεῖζον ἦκα μέρος τῆς πράξεως ἀνέγνων ἀλλὰ τοὺς λόγους εἰσίν ἔτι δυσκόλους.
mwh wrote:Yes do do what you can with those comments daivid. In this latest, you make πειρῶν a contract verb ok but it should be in the middle rather than the active. And adverbs normally precede the verb they apply to. But your forms are good, and what you are saying is crystal clear.
Thanks especially for πειρῶν needing to be middle -somehow that completely escaped me.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by mwh » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:18 am

μεῖζον ἦκα. If you mean “slightly larger” (I’m not sure), try e.g. ὀλίγῳ μεῖζον (lit. bigger by a little). ἦκα is an odd choice of word.

I don’t know what you mean by τῆς πράξεως “of the act.” “Of the action” in the sense “of the events” could be τῶν πεπραγμένων (perf.pass.pple.) or τῶν πραχθέντων (aor.). Or do you mean the Acts (pl.) of the Apostles?

ἀλλὰ τοὺς λόγους εἰσίν ἔτι δυσκόλους. ἔτι εἰσὶν better word order: adverb before verb.
But most important of all: why the accusatives?!

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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:41 am

ἐλοιδορησάμην σὺν ἐμαυτῶ περὶ τοῦ τοῦ Λονδονος καὶ ἀγαθοῦ καὶ κακοῦ πολιτεύματος.
mwh wrote:μεῖζον ἦκα. If you mean “slightly larger” (I’m not sure), try e.g. ὀλίγῳ μεῖζον (lit. bigger by a little). ἦκα is an odd choice of word.
I was worrying about whether I was ἦκα using correctly. Thanks for a more obvious alternative.
mwh wrote:I don’t know what you mean by τῆς πράξεως “of the act.” “Of the action” in the sense “of the events” could be τῶν πεπραγμένων (perf.pass.pple.) or τῶν πραχθέντων (aor.). Or do you mean the Acts (pl.) of the Apostles?
Yes it should have been plural :oops:
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ἀλλὰ τοὺς λόγους εἰσίν ἔτι δυσκόλους. ἔτι εἰσὶν better word order: adverb before verb.
But most important of all: why the accusatives?!
How many guesses am I allowed? I think because I was still thinking in terms of them being read and forgot I had started a new clause. :oops:
I should have been on the lookout for adverbs. Tomorrow I shall start with and adverb so I finally get it right.
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Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)

Post by daivid » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:20 am

μαθὼν τὴν τοῦ Φαρνελλος βύβλον βραδέως ἔγραψα φράσεις χρώμενος ταύτῃ τῇ βύβλῳ ὡς παραδείγματι.
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