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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:02 pm

ἔπει ἠγέρθην ἑώρων ὀμίχλην. ἐνόμιζον ὀμίχλην ἐφήμερον εἶναι ἀλλὰ ἡ ὀμίχλη ἐνέμενε ἔπει ὁ ἥλιος ἔδυσε.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Θωμᾶς » Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:41 am

ἐν Καναδᾷ ἑσπέριᾳ μετὰ τὸ θέρος τὸ θερμός ὀ ὑετός ἔρχεται καθ᾽ ἡμέραν, τὸ πνεῦμα πνεῖ, αἱ ἡμέραι ἐισιν σκοτειναί. ἐστιν ὁ καιρός κατεργάζεσθαι καὶ τούτῳ ἀρκούμεθα.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:57 pm

νῦν μὲν εὐδίαν ἔχομεν. ὕστερον δ' ἡ χιὼν πάρεσται.
Θωμᾶς wrote:ἐν Καναδᾷ ἑσπέριᾳ...ὀ ὑετός ἔρχεται καθ᾽ ἡμέραν
χρείαν οὖν σκιαδείου ἔχεις.

σκιάδειον -- τὸ ἢ τὸν ἥλιον ἢ τὴν βροχὴν ἄλεξον.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:27 pm

ἔπει ἠγέρθην ἔτι ὀμίχλη ἐνέμενε ἀλλὰ ὁ ἥλιος ἔπειτα ἐδίωξε τήν ὀμίχλην.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Θωμᾶς » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:19 am

Markos wrote:χρείαν οὖν σκιαδείου ἔχεις.
σκιάδειον -- τὸ ἢ τὸν ἥλιον ἢ τὴν βροχὴν ἄλεξον.
ναί, ὧδε πάντες σκιάδεια ἔχουσιν. ἐν τῷ τόπῳ ὅπου ἐγὼ ᾤκησαν ἐκ παιδιόθεν σκιάδεια ὀλίγα ἦσαν, ἀλλὰ πάντες ἀμᾶς ἔχουσιν τὴν χιόνα μεθιστάναι.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:17 pm

φαιρδρὸς νῦν ὁ οὐρανός.

φαιδρός -- λαμπρός, λάμπων, ἀποστίλβων...ἀντίθετον τῷ στυγνός. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)

φαιδρός -- φαιδρὸς μὲν οὐρανὸς λάμποντος ἡλίου, φαιδρὰ δ' ἡ ἡμέρα, φαιδρὸν δὲ τὸ χαιρόντων ἀνθρώπων πρόσωπον. (Rouse, Notes to Lucian's Dialogues, p. 4.)
Θωμᾶς wrote:ναί, ὧδε πάντες σκιάδεια ἔχουσιν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:33 pm

συννεφοῦς τοῦ αἰθέρος ὄντος οὐ εἶδον τὸν ἥλιον τήμερον.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:44 pm

πρὸ τοῦ ἐγερθῆναι τοῦ ἐμοῦ ἔβρεξε τὴν γῆν. πάλιν ἔβρεξε μετὰ τὸν δυθῆναι τὸν τοῦ ἡλίου ἀλλὰ τὴν βροχήν με ἔλαθον.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:19 pm

τὴν γῆν βρέχει ὁ Θεός, καταχέων τὸν μὲν ὑετόν, τὸν δέ νιφετόν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:48 pm

οὐ φαιδρὸς ἐστι νῦν ὁ οὐρανός καὶ βρέχει τὴν γῆν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:32 pm

ἰών ἐπὶ τὴν αγοραν, ὠθίζων βαιὰν ἅμαξαν, οὐ ἐδυνάμην φέρειν σκιάδειον. ἔβρεχε τὲ τὴν γῆν καὶ ἐμὲ καὶ οὐ ἦ φαιδρός. :x
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:44 pm

πεφαίδρωται ὁ ἥλιος.

φαιδρόομαι -- γίνομαι φαιδρός, λάμπω ἐκ τῆς χαρᾶς. "ὁ Κῦρος ἰδὼν αὐτὸν φαιδρωθέντα." (Ξενοφ. Παιδ. 2.2.10) πρβλ. φαιδρύνω. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:41 pm

ἐπὶ τῷ τοῦ ἡλίου φέγγει φαιδροῦμαι δή.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:39 pm

ὀρῶν τὴν βροχὴν περίλυπος ἦ. ἔπειτα μνήμων ὅτι με οὐ δεῖ ἐξεῖναι εφαιδρουμην.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:27 pm

Viviparidus wrote:alius dies pulcher exspectatur.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

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Markos wrote:ἄλλην καὶ ὧδε εὐδίαν προσδοκῶμεν.
ποίαν δὴ ἄλλην εὐδίαν; ευδια γαρ ου ταὐτὸ σημαινει τῳ pulcher dies, ουδ’ ω φιλε Μαρκε το ελληνικαις χρησθαι λεξεσι ταὐτὸ εστι τῳ ελληνιστι γραφειν.

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:17 pm

ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαι ἵδρωσα νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας.

(Luke.9.29)
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:19 pm

ἐκλάμπω ἥλιος.

ἐκλάμπω -- ἐκπέμπω λάμψιν, ἀκτινοβολῶ. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)
daivid wrote:ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαι ἵδρωσα νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας.

(Luke.9.29)
Luke 9:29: καὶ ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ προσεύχεσθαι αὐτὸν τὸ εἶδος τοῦ προσώπου αὐτοῦ ἕτερον καὶ ὁ ἱματισμὸς αὐτοῦ λευκὸς ἐξαστράπτων.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:36 pm

ἡ τοῦ ἡλίου ἀκτίς ἥν εἶδον ἔπει ἠγέρθην μόνον δι ὀλίγου ἔμενε.
Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαι ἵδρωσα νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας.

(Luke.9.29)
Luke 9:29: καὶ ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ προσεύχεσθαι αὐτὸν τὸ εἶδος τοῦ προσώπου αὐτοῦ ἕτερον καὶ ὁ ἱματισμὸς αὐτοῦ λευκὸς ἐξαστράπτων.
καὶ ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαί με ἵδρωσα νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:50 pm

τὸ τοῦ ἀνέμου ἦχος ἀκούω. τοῦτον δ' αὐτὸν οὐ βλέπειν δύναμαι.

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:13 pm

ὁ θερμὸς ἀήρ ὅν οἱ ἀνεμοί νῦν φέρει ἐκ νότιος ἀμύνει τὸ χεῖμα.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

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Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαι ἵδρωσα νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας.
(Luke.9.29)
Luke 9:29: καὶ ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ προσεύχεσθαι αὐτὸν τὸ εἶδος τοῦ προσώπου αὐτοῦ ἕτερον καὶ ὁ ἱματισμὸς αὐτοῦ λευκὸς ἐξαστράπτων.
καὶ ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαί με ἵδρωσα νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας.
φευ φευ κακιστα γεγραφας, Μαρκ' ω φιλε.

First, in Luke’s sentence εγενετο is the one and only main verb, meaning “became”: “and the look of his face became different.” daivid confused it with the Hebraic construction (εγενετο + finite verb), and so do you. (And initial και is unneeded.)

Second, in Luke’s sentence αυτον is required to provide the articular infinitive with a subject (“while he was praying, the look of his face …”). You are wrong to add με to daivid’s sentence, because the first-person ἵδρωσα already provides the subject of ὑπνοῦσθαι. daivid’s ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ ὑπνοῦσθαι ἵδρωσα was quite correct as it stood (though it could do without the Hebraism of εγενετο), and adding με makes it ungrammatical. (The very sight of με ἴδρωσα should have alarmed you.)

You could have corrected daivid’s νυκτός θερμοτάτης οὔσας to τῆς νυκτὸς θ. οὔσης, however.


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daivid wrote:ὁ θερμὸς ἀήρ ὅν οἱ ἀνεμοί νῦν φέρει ἐκ νότιος ἀμύνει τὸ χεῖμα.
φέρουσι. εκ νοτου, or ανεμοι νοτιοι. (And you have three final acute accents which should be grave.)

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

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mwh wrote:First, in Luke’s sentence εγενετο is the one and only main verb, meaning “became”: “and the look of his face became different.” daivid confused it with the Hebraic construction (εγενετο + finite verb), and so do you. (And initial και is unneeded.)

Second, in Luke’s sentence αυτον is required to provide the articular infinitive with a subject (“while he was praying, the look of his face …”). .
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:36 pm

ὁ χειμών ὁ Αβιγειλ ὄνομα οὐ καθήξει ἐπὶ Λονδον ἀλλὰ ὁ ἀήρ ὅν Αβιγειλ φέρει καθήξει δὴ.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:08 pm

αἱ μὲν νιφάδες ἐκ οὐρανοῦ ἔπιπτον. ἡ δέ χιὼν ἐπὶ γῆς οὐ μένει ἀλλὰ τέτηκε.

ἡ πίπτουσα χιὼν καλεῖται συνήθως νιφάς, νιφετός. ἀλλ ἡ διάκρισις ὅμως αὕτη (οὐ) τηρεῖται. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)
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daivid wrote:ὁ χειμών ὁ Αβιγειλ ὄνομα οὐ καθήξει ἐπὶ Λονδον ἀλλὰ ὁ ἀήρ ὅν Αβιγειλ φέρει καθήξει δὴ.
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You have to wonder who did the choosing.
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Post by bedwere » Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:20 am

Καλλίστη ἡμέρα ἔσχεν ἐνταῦθα. Καὶ δὴ ἡ νὺξ ἄνευ νεφελῶν ἐστιν.

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:54 pm

τοῦ ἡλίου νῦν φαίνοντος εἰ μή μεταβάλλοι φαιδροίμην ἀλλὰ βρέξει.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

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Markos wrote:φαιρδρὸς νῦν ὁ οὐρανός.

φαιδρός -- λαμπρός, λάμπων, ἀποστίλβων...ἀντίθετον τῷ στυγνός. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)

φαιδρός -- φαιδρὸς μὲν οὐρανὸς λάμποντος ἡλίου, φαιδρὰ δ' ἡ ἡμέρα, φαιδρὸν δὲ τὸ χαιρόντων ἀνθρώπων πρόσωπον. (Rouse, Notes to Lucian's Dialogues, p. 4.)
Θωμᾶς wrote:ναί, ὧδε πάντες σκιάδεια ἔχουσιν.
τί ἐστι τὸ τούτων χρῶμα?
τὰ σκιάδεια ἐνδείκνυνται πάντα τὰ χρώματα τῆς ἴριδος. σήμερον χρείαν σκιαδείων αὐτῶν ἕξουσιν οἱ ἄνθρωποι ὀτὶ λέγεται χειμών μέγας σφόδρα ἔσται. ἄνεμος μέγας ἀπὸ τῆς θαλάσσης πνεύσει ἐπὶ τῆς πόλεως καὶ ὁ οὐρανὸς ὑετὸν πολλὸν δώσει.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:28 pm

μεταβολικοῦ ὄντος, ὁ μὲν ἥλιος ἔφαινε ἐν αἰθέρι ὡσεὶ ἄνευ νεφελῶν ἔπειτα δὲ σκοτειναὶ νεφέλαι ἐκάλυπτε τὴν αἰθέρα, ὁ δὲ ἥλιος πάλιν ἔφαινε.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Θωμᾶς » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:19 pm

ὧδε οὔπω μεταβολικὸς αλλὰ ἡμέρα νεφέλης καὶ ὁμίχλης. ἐχθὲς μὲν ἔσχομεν παραίνεσιν περὶ πνεύματος καταιγίδος ἡμεῖς δὲ εἴδομέν οὐ πολὺν ἄνεμον αλλὰ ἔβρεξεν ὅλην τὴν ἡμέραν καὶ ὅλην τὴν νύκτα.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:36 pm

ἐν τῷ νῦν χρόνῳ, ὥσπερ καὶ πρὸ τοῦ χρόνου, ψῦχός ἐστι.
Θωμᾶς wrote:τὰ σκιάδεια ἐνδείκνυνται πάντα τὰ χρώματα τῆς ἴριδος.
τὸ ἐμὸν σκιάδειον ἐρυθρόν ἐστι.
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Post by daivid » Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:26 pm

ἔπει ᾔειν πρὸς τὴν βιβλιοθήκην ἔβρεχε τὴν γῆν. τοῦ μέντοι ἀνεμοῦ ἀσθενεστέρου ὄντος ἐδυνάμην χρᾶν σκιάδειον.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:28 pm

τήμερον, εἰ ἔβλεψα διὰ τῆς θυρίδος ἐβαρήθην ἄν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by bedwere » Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:37 am

mwh wrote:Yes, Didacopolis exists! And it has weather. http://www.wunderground.com/us/ca/didacopolis
Νὴ Δία. :lol:

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:26 am

κατὰ τοὺς τὴν μετεωρολογίαν ποιουμένους, χιονοβολησόμεθα.

χιονοβολέομαι -- βάλλομαι ὑπὸ χιόνος, χιονίζομαι, καλύπτομαι ὑπὸ χιόνος. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:10 pm

ὁ μὲν ἥλιος ἔφαινε, ὁ δὲ ἄνεμος ἦν ἀσθενής.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:45 am

πίπτοντος ψυχροῦ χιόνος, χιτῶνος χρείαν ἔχω, οὐκ ἕνος ἀλλὰ δύο.

χιτών, χιτῶνος, ὁ -- τὸ ἔνδυμα τὸ φορούμενον κατὰ σάρκα. (Λ.Σ.Κ.)

χιών, όνος, ἡ -- ὅταν νίφῃ ὁ θεός, τότ ἂν ἴδοις χιόνα. λευκὴ μέν ἐστιν ἡ χιών, καὶ πίπτει ἄνευ ψόφου. (Rouse)
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