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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by bedwere » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:28 am

Χαίρετε, ὦ φίλοι. Ταύτῃ δὲ τῇ ἑβδομάδι ἐν τῇ Φρανκισκουπόλει εἰμὶ ἕνεκα τῆς μεγάλης συνάξεως τῆς Ἀμερικανῆς Γεωφυσικῆς Ἑνώσεως. Νῦν μὲν ὕει ὦδε , ἰτέον δὲ πρὸς τὸν Ἰωὴλ ἵνα Ἐλληνιστὶ συλλαλῶμεν. Διὸ οὐ μέλει μοι ὁ οὐρανός. :D
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by jeidsath » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:18 am

Χαίρετε, ὦ φίλοι. Ταύτῃ δὲ τῇ ἑβδομάδι ἐν τῇ Φρανκισκουπόλει εἰμὶ ἕνεκα τῆς μεγάλης συνάξεως τῆς Ἀμερικανῆς Γεωφυσικῆς Ἑνώσεως. Νῦν μὲν ὕει ὦδε , ἰτέον δὲ πρὸς τὸν Ἰωὴλ ἵνα Ἐλληνιστὶ συλλαλῶμεν. Διὸ οὐ μέλει μοι ὁ οὐρανός. :D
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:08 pm

παραυτίκα οὐ βρέχει ἀλλὰ τὸ πέδον εστι ὑγρὸν καὶ (κατὰ τοὺς τὰ μετεώρα ἐξετάζοντας) βρέξει.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:49 pm

λάμπει μὲν ὁ ἥλιος, ἀλλὰ τὴν γῆν θερμαίνειν οὐ δύναται.
bedwere wrote:ἰτέον δὲ πρὸς τὸν Ἰωὴλ ἵνα Ἐλληνιστὶ συλλαλῶμεν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:33 pm

καίπερ τῆς νυκτὸς θερμοτέρης οὔσης τήμερον ἦν ψυχρόν. ὁμὼς ὁ ἥλιος ἔφαινε.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by bedwere » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:25 am

Προσδοκῶ νῦν τὸν ἀεροσκάφον μου ἐν τῷ Φρανκισκουπόλεως ἀερολιμένι. Διὰ γὰρ τὴν ὑετίαν ἡ πτῆσις μου τρεῖς ὥρας ὀψέ εστιν.

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by y11971alex » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:30 am

δοκεῖ τινι κακὰ ἔπη με γράφειν. :(

ἀλλὰ ὑσμένου τοῦ Διὸς μέσῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ πέφηνεν ὁ ἥλιος, οὐδενὸς δὲ ὡς δοκοῦντος.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:01 pm

τοῦ ἡλίου λάμποντος, τὸ σέλας τὴν τύπτει θυρίδα ἐναντίην καὶ τρεπομένη συνίεται εἰς τοὺς ἐμοῦ ὀφθαλμούς.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:38 pm

σήμερον μὲν ψυχρός ἐστι. αὔριον δὲ θερμὸν νομίζω τὸν ἀέρα ἔσεσθαι.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:40 pm

ἀνέτειλε μὲν ὁ ἥλιος, φαίνει δὲ οὐ, ὑπὸ τῶν νεφελῶν καλυπτόμενος. θερμότερον μὲν νῦν, ἐπεὶ δὲ ἐκτὸς ὢν - ῥιγῶ διὰ ἴσχου ἀνέμου.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:24 pm

αὐξαίνει δὴ τὸ τῆς θερμασιάς βάθος ὥστε μὲ εὐφραίνεσθαι.
daivid wrote:ἀνέτειλε μὲν ὁ ἥλιος, φαίνει δὲ οὐ, ὑπὸ τῶν νεφελῶν καλυπτόμενος.
An excellent, balanced sentence with a fine use of a common variant of the μέν, δέ construction, but one quibble. For some reason, οὐ appears as accented οὔ when it is the last word of a clause. (Usage also varies between δὲ οὔ and δ' οὔ. The former is fine.)
y11971alex wrote:δοκεῖ τινι κακὰ ἔπη με γραφεῖν. :(
ούχί, φίλτατε, μὴ γένοιτο! καλὰ μὲν οὖν τὰ ἔπη σά. πάντα γὰρ συνίημι. τὰ δὲ comprehensible input ταῦτά ἐστι.
bedwere wrote:Προσδοκῶ νῦν τὸν ἀεροσκάφον μου ἐν τῷ Φρανκισκουπόλεως ἀερολιμένι.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by mwh » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:48 am

A one-time intervention, I promise (and I promise myself). Amending or querying one another’s work is a very good idea, I think, if it doesn't spoil the magic and spontaneity of the thread.

"σήμερον μὲν ψυχρός ἐστι."
Spiritoso! ἀλλὰ τίς δὴ ψυχρός ἐστι; ὁ ἀήρ, τάχ’ ἂν ἀποκρίναιο. ἀλλ’ οὐκ ἔσθ’ ὅπως τοῦτό τις ἄν προσυπακούσαι ἐὰν μὴ ἤδη δεδηλωμένον ᾖ ὅτι ὁ λόγος τυγχάνει περὶ τοῦ ἀέρος ὤν.


"θερμότερον μὲν νῦν, ἐπεὶ δὲ ἐκτὸς ὢν"
For the μέν … δέ contrast to work properly, you need νῦν μὲν … ἐπεὶ δε …. (You don’t really need the μέν at all, which tends to get badly overused in this thread, but I know you're practising the use of it.)
"ἐπεὶ δὲ ἐκτὸς ὢν ..." This is ungrammatical. επεί introduces a subordinate clause with a finite verb: ἐπεὶ δε ἐκτός εἰμι,* … Alternatively, you could just say ἐκτὸς ὤν (a participial phrase) without the επει.
* except (a) ἐκτός + εἰμι is not really a suitable locution here; and (b) it would be best to use subjunctive w/ ἄν (indefinite clause) for the verb. Then you get e.g. ἐπειδὰν δ’ ἔξω τῆς οἰκίας ἴω, ῥιγῶ ... (“when I go outside,” "when I leave the house”). OR, using participle instead, ἔξω δὲ τῆς οἰκίας ἰών, ῥιγῶ ....
Here's a grammatical generalization worth remembering: Subordinate clauses (e.g. ἐπεί …, ὅτε …, εἰ …, ὅτι …, etc.) have finite verbs (so do main clauses, of course), participial phrases don’t. This is something you could carefully observe in your reading, and practise.

"διὰ ἴσχου ἀνέμου"
διὰ τὸν ἄνεμον ἰσχυρὸν (ὄντα)
or διὰ τὴν ἰσχὺν τοῦ ἀνέμου
or (but rather heavy) διὰ τὸ τὸν ἄνεμον ἰσχυρὸν εἶναι


"αὐξαίνει δὴ"
ω φιλε Μαρκε, εἴωθας τῇ “δή” ἄγαν καταχρῆσθαι.

"τὰ ἔπη σά"
τὰ ἔπη σου (or τὰ σὰ ἔπη, but that would mean your words, as distinct from mine or some else's)


"δοκεῖ τινι κακὰ ἔπη με γραφεῖν."
ναί, ἀλλὰ τοῦτο καλῶς ἔχει, εἴ γ’ οὐ λανθάνει καὶ ἀρέσκει σοι.

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:49 am

mwh wrote:"σήμερον μὲν ψυχρός ἐστι."
Spiritoso! ἀλλὰ τίς δὴ ψυχρός ἐστι; ὁ ἀήρ, τάχ’ ἂν ἀποκρίναιο. ἀλλ’ οὐκ ἔσθ’ ὅπως τοῦτό τις ἄν προσυπακούσαι ἐὰν μὴ ἤδη δεδηλωμένον ᾖ ὅτι ὁ λόγος τυγχάνει περὶ τοῦ ἀέρος ὤν.
χαῖρε, φίλε. πολλάκις ἐν τούτῳ τῷ τόπῳ περὶ τοῦ ἀέρος λαλοῦμεν. δῆλον οὖν ἐστι ὅτι τὸ "ψυχρός ἐστι" σημαίνει "ὁ ἀήρ ψυχρός ἐστι."
"αὐξαίνει δὴ"
ω φιλε Μαρκε, εἴωθας τῇ “δή” ἄγαν καταχρῆσθαι.
σύμφημι δή. :D
"τὰ ἔπη σά"
τὰ ἔπη σου (or τὰ σὰ ἔπη...
καλῶς εἶπες. κακῶς γὰρ ἔγραψα. εὐχαριστῶ οὖν σοι.
mwh wrote:A one-time intervention...
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by y11971alex » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:35 am

τοῖν φίλοιν Μάρκῳ καὶ mwh χάριν δίδωμι διὰ πάντων πραγμάτων μοι διδομένων.

τά μοι γεγραμένα ἔπη τε γράματά τε δύνανται γεγάμεν ( :D ) τῷ σφῷν λέγειν καλὰ ἢ κακά. πρότερον δὴ καὶ ἀμείνονα μέλλοιμι ποιήσων ἐγὼ ταῦτα.

ᾐσθήμην ἔτους ἡμέραν τὴν μικροτάτην οὖσαν μικροτάτην, ἀλλὰ μακροτέρα ἐστὶ τοῦ φθάντος.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:57 pm

τήμερον πάλιν ὁ ἄνεμος ἰσχυρῶς πνείει. ὁμὼς, ἐπειδὰν ἔξο τῆς οἰκίας ἴω πορευόμενος ταχέως οὑ ῥιγῶ.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:22 pm

θερμός ἐστιν ὁ ἀήρ καὶ κακός. νίφει δ' ὀ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς Θεός.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:00 pm

τήμερον ὁ ἄνεμος ἔτι ἰσχυρῶς πνεῖ ἀλλὰ ἀσθενέστερον ἢ ἐχθές.
mwh wrote:A one-time intervention, I promise (and I promise myself). Amending or querying one another’s work is a very good idea, I think, if it doesn't spoil the magic and spontaneity of the thread.
....

"θερμότερον μὲν νῦν, ἐπεὶ δὲ ἐκτὸς ὢν"(b) it would be best to use subjunctive w/ ἄν (indefinite clause) for the verb. ...

ὅταν ἐπηνωρθωθῶ, εὐχαριστῶ. ἅτε σοῦ ἔχων πολλὰ ἔργα, εὐχαριστῶ σοι διπλῶς
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:24 pm

ἰσχυροί ἐστιν καὶ ψυχροί οἱ ἄνεμοι ὡστε με ὀκνεῖν ἐκ οἰκίας ἐξελθεῖν.

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ἓν νέφος ἐν τῇ μορφῇ τοῦ ἰχθύος εἶδον. :D
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Post by daivid » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:52 pm

ἐγερθείς εἶδον βρέξαι ἀλλὰ ὁ ἥλιος ἔφαινε. ὅταν μέν νυν βρέξῃ φυτὰ τὰ παρὰ τῇ οἰκίᾳ ὄλβια εἰσὶν ὅταν δὲ βρέξῃ ἐμοῦ καθεύδοντος ἐλυπήθην οὐ. χαίρω οὖν φυτῶν ἕνεκα.
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Post by Ξενοφάνης ὁ Βορήιος » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:22 pm

Χαίρετε ὦ φίλοι!
Ξὺν χαρᾷ ξυνίστημι ὑμῖν τὸ ἔργον μου· viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62713&p=169451#p169451 :D
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:20 pm

ὁρῶν διὰ θυρίδος, τοῦ ἡλίου φαίνοντος, ἐνόμιζον τὴν ἡμέραν καλὴν εἶναι. :) ἐξελθὸν ἐκ οἰκίας καὶ ὀσφραινόμενος καπνὸν ὠργιζόμην τινὶ γείτονι πυροῦντι ξύλον παρὰ νόμον. :x
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

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Post by daivid » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:40 pm

ἐπάρας ἐμαυτὸν ἐρρίγωσα, πρὸς δὲ εἶδον ἐπὶ ταῖς τῶν γείτων ὀροφαῖς κρύος.
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Post by Markos » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:12 pm

ἡ ἡμῶν τοῦ Χριστοῦ Γέννησι λευκή έστι.
Akemdwr wrote:Ξὺν χαρᾷ ξυνίστημι ὑμῖν τὸ ἔργον μου· viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62713&p=169451#p169451 :D
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Pros » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:02 am

εἶδόν τι σήμερον ὅτι ἔχω εἰπεῖν περὶ αὐτό. ἄτοπον γὰρ χειμῶνος ἐπεὶ οἱ ἄνθρωποι οἱ ἔχοντες τὸ τῶν σκέλων βάθρον ἐκκεκαλυμμένων ἐμπεριπατοῦσι ὡς θέρος ἐστί.

ἄτοπος - odd.
βάθρον, τό, - bottom.
ἐκκαλύπτω - uncover.
ἐμπεριπατέω - walk around.

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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:58 pm

ἐπάρας ἐμαυτὸν, ὁρῶν ὀροφὰς ἄνευ κρύους, ἐνόμιζον εὐδίαν εἶναι. τάχιστα ἔμαθον Βρεττανικάν νιφοστιβῆ εἶναι – μόνος οὐ εν τῷ τοῦ βασιλέως λίθῷ.
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Post by Markos » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:31 am

κρυερός ἐστιν ὁ ἐν τῇ γῇ μου ἀήρ ὥστε ἀπεψυγμένος εἰμί.
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ὕει ὁ οὐρανός. :arrow:
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:02 pm

ψυχρὸς νῦν ἐστι καὶ ὕστερον ψυχρότερος ἔσται. :(
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Post by daivid » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:58 pm

τὸ ψῦχος δάκνει τὰς χειρὰς. ἀλοιφὴ με σώζει.
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Post by Markos » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:48 pm

χιὼν νῦν ἐστι καὶ ψῦχος. τὸ γὰρ τῆς θερμασιάς βάθος -9 ἐστι κατὰ τὴν τοῦ Κελσίου κλίμακα.
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Post by daivid » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:54 pm

ἐνόμιζον μὲν τὴν ἡμέραν εἶναι καλὸν τὴν οὐρανὸν ἄνευ νεφελων, ἐνόμιζον δὲ ἡμέραν εἶναι κακὸν τὸ ψῦχος.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by y11971alex » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:04 am

γεγαίην εὐδαίμων σήμερον οὔσης τῆς ἡμέρας καλλίονος. πολλὰ γὰρ πέπυσμαι αὔριον οὐκ ἔσεσθαι τὸν ἀέρα ἴσως καλόν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:47 pm

κρούει δὴ τὸ κρύος. τὸ γὰρ βάθος τῆς θερμασίας νῦν ἕν έστι, (κ.κ.Φ.) ῥιγῶ οὖν καὶ πολλὴν θερμὴν καφὴν πίνω ἔγωγε.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:02 pm

ἡμέρα φαίνετο εἶναι καλὴ τοῦ ἡλίου φαινομένου. εἰ γὰρ ἦν θερμότερον.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:20 pm

τοῦ νεφελῶν καλυπτόντων τὸν οὐρανόν, τήμερον ἦν θερμότερον.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by daivid » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:55 pm

ἐπεὶ κατεκοίμησα ψυχρὸς ἦν. καθεύδοντος μου θερμότερον ἐγίγνετο ὥστε τήμερον οὐ ἦν ψυχρόν.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Markos » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:01 am

λίαν ψυχρός ἐστι ὥστε μὴ τήκεσθαι τὰς ἐπὶ γῆς νιφάδας.
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Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

Post by Nikolaos_Magistros » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:58 am

Ἐνταῦθα, ὦ φίλοι, ὡς ἥδιστα ἡμῖν διάγουσι καὶ τὴν τοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν γέννησιν ἑορτάσασι σὺν ἡλίῳ τε λάμποντι καὶ θερμοτάτῳ ἀέρι καί, ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν, ὀλίγου δεῖν πάσῃ εὐλογίᾳ καὶ θάλπει ὡσεὶ θέρους τινος χειμερίου καὶ ἀτόπου, τελευτῶντος ἤδη τοῦ ἐνιαυτοῦ ἐξαπιναίως ἀνοίγνυνται πάντες οὐρανοί, ψύχεται δ' ἀήρ, ὕει δ' ἔκτοτε ἀκαταπαύστως ὥστε μόνον οὐκ ἰχθῦς ὁρᾶν ἡμᾶς ἐκ τῶν θυρίδων τῆς οἰκίας ὥσπερ ἀεροβατοῦντας καὶ ἐν τοῖς πλήθεσι τῶν μεταρσίων ὑδάτων νηχομένους. Νῦν δ' ἐπὶ τῇ ἐσχάρᾳ καθήμενος (θερμάστραν ἠλεκτρικὴν τοῦτο καλοῦσι οἱ κοινοτέρῳ χρώμενοι ἰδιώματι) ὑμῖν ταῦτα γράφω καί, οἴμοι, ῥιγεῖ μοι τὰ ὀστᾶ! Ἀλλὰ δεῖ πάντα ταῦτα ὑποφέρειν, ὅτι ἄνευ τῶν νῦν οὐρανόθεν ῥαγδαίως καταφερομένων καὶ τὸν ἀέρα ψυχόντων ὑδάτων οὐκ ἂν ἐξῆν ἐν θέρους ὥρᾳ ἀρδεύειν ἀρούρας καὶ κήπους ποτίζειν, καὶ παντάπασιν ἄνυδρος καταλειφθεῖσα ἐν πάνυ ὀλίγοις ἔτεσιν ἔρημος καὶ ἄπολις ἂν ἐγίγνετο ἡ πίειρα αὕτη νῆσος καὶ ἑκατόμπολις, ἡ κειμένη «μέσῳ ἐνὶ οἴνοπι πόντῳ» ὡς λέγει ὁ ποιητής, ἣν κἀγὼ σὺν τῇ γυναικὶ οἰκῶ.
Εἰ μὲν οὖν ἐστί τις οἰκειότης πρὸς ἀλλήλους τοῖς λόγοις, προὔργου ἂν ἡμῖν αὐτῶν ἡ γνῶσις γένοιτο· εἰ δὲ μή, ἀλλὰ τό γε παράλληλα θέντας καταμαθεῖν τὸ διάφορον, οὐ μικρὸν εἰς βεβαίωσιν τοῦ βελτίονος.

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