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by donhamiltontx
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lysistrata Materials
Replies: 11
Views: 1700

Re: Lysistrata Materials

Thank you for the further recommendations and comments. The two versions of Socrates that Plato and Aristophanes left us make for one of the real conundrums of history. How could both of them be describing the same man? Aristophanes never comes out looking good, and one can only think and hope he su...
by donhamiltontx
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lysistrata Materials
Replies: 11
Views: 1700

Re: Lysistrata Materials

Thanks again to Hylander and mwh for recommending Sommerstein. And thanks to both Sommerstein and Henderson, reading Lysistrata was a pleasure. Now I'm going to give Clouds a go. Sommerstein's edition of Clouds seems to be arranged on the same principles as his Lysistrata , so I ordered a copy of it...
by donhamiltontx
Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Finding Information About the NTV Modern Greek Bible Translation
Replies: 4
Views: 814

Re: Finding Information About the NTV Modern Greek Bible Translation

Sir, the only information that I can find on the Internet is that NTV stands for Nueva Traducción Viviente, which is a translation of the Bible into Spanish, not modern Greek. Here is one source with a short description in English: https://www.tyndale.com/ntv Of course NTV could very well stand for ...
by donhamiltontx
Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lysistrata Materials
Replies: 11
Views: 1700

Re: Lysistrata Materials

Hylander and mwh, thanks to both. I ordered Sommerstein.

Note to anyone else thinking about buying Sommerstein's edition: Amazon lists a Kindle version of the book for $0.99. Hard to beat that price, but the 99 cent Kindle book is not the Sommerstein edition.
by donhamiltontx
Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lysistrata Materials
Replies: 11
Views: 1700

Lysistrata Materials

Expecting to read Lysistrata in the very near future, I have on hand Jeffrey Henderson's Clarendon Paperbacks edition originally published 1987. Is there anything more recent than Henderson, as discussed in this Textkit thread https://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=63766&p=174...
by donhamiltontx
Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to start with Greek verbs?
Replies: 9
Views: 4474

Re: Where to start with Greek verbs?

I'm just planning to start with Greek vocabulary in general. Are there any easy guides and tutorials? "Easy"? How to learn Ancient Greek vocabulary is something of a vexed issue, but the short answer is no. However, there are places to start and ways to go about it. I think the soundest and surest ...
by donhamiltontx
Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Number of unique words in readers.
Replies: 13
Views: 2626

Re: Number of unique words in readers.

Just for clarification, what do you mean by a "word"?
For example, are "amo, amas, amat" three words or one word?
by donhamiltontx
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 2195

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

Later for line 534, Denniston and Page's commentary says, "Others refer ἁρπαγή here to the rape of Helen, κλοπή to the theft of property from Menelaus' palace . . ." They then cite several sources for this: "Il. 3.70, 91, 282, 285, 458, 7.350, 22, 114, etc.; . . . Herodotus 2.114, 118-119," and so ...
by donhamiltontx
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 2195

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

There is more about the number of thefts by Paris. Later for line 534, Denniston and Page's commentary says, "Others refer ἁρπαγή here to the rape of Helen, κλοπή to the theft of property from Menelaus' palace . . ." They then cite several sources for this: "Il. 3.70, 91, 282, 285, 458, 7.350, 22, 1...
by donhamiltontx
Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:04 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: One Man Agamemnon Tour 2018
Replies: 5
Views: 1084

Re: One Man Agamemnon Tour 2018

Break a leg, zagreus!
by donhamiltontx
Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 2195

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

Thanks Aetos and Jeidsath for helping me with this question. Jones' remarks bring up the thought that seducing another man's wife and spiriting her out of the country would be more than one act of stealth. It occurs to me, too, that there is also a another matter, the singular wouldn't fit the meter...
by donhamiltontx
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 2195

Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

Probably I am overlooking something very obvious, but why is "κλοπαῖσι" plural in the following sentence? ἐς δόμον τὸν Ἀτρειδᾶν ᾔσχυνε ξενίαν τράπεζαν κλοπαῖσι γυναικός. Agamemnon 402-03 For context, the chorus is going on about the dire punishment due Paris. Neither the commentaries of Sidgwick or ...
by donhamiltontx
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 317 the Chorus speaking
Replies: 2
Views: 807

Re: Agamemnon 317 the Chorus speaking

Thank you, anphph, for helping me understand this matter better.
by donhamiltontx
Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 317 the Chorus speaking
Replies: 2
Views: 807

Agamemnon 317 the Chorus speaking

Reading the Agamemnon (if glancing from the text to Sidgwick's commentary to Page's commentary to a translation and back to the text can honestly be called reading), I have a question about the chorus. At line 317*, the Chorus says: θεοῖς μὲν αὖθις, ὦ γύναι, προσεύξομαι. Does the fact that the verb ...
by donhamiltontx
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Tragic Meter
Replies: 4
Views: 3717

Re: Tragic Meter

The only reason I make this necro-post is in case an Internet search brought you here, as one just did me, be aware that this 12-year-old post has been supplemented by a later (and thoroughly enlightening) sticky post "Meter in Tragedy (Split from topic "Let's Read: AJAX")" http://www.textkit.com/gr...
by donhamiltontx
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:29 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Ana- and cataphora
Replies: 2
Views: 1248

Re: Ana- and cataphora

(what's it called when endings all have the same sound?). It is called, suitably enough, homoeoteleuton . Several sources exist on-line. Here is one: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/homeoteleuton . This is at my fingertips because I looked it up just the other day in connection...
by donhamiltontx
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:41 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hello
Replies: 3
Views: 1385

Re: Hello

EberP wrote:"Since then I have branched out to other texts, including Nichomachus' Arithmetic and Poryphy's Isagogue, along with some kathareousa and demotic texts for children."
Could you share with us the titles and sources of the texts for children you use?
by donhamiltontx
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which are the best commentaries on Herodotus?
Replies: 2
Views: 1428

Re: Which are the best commentaries on Herodotus?

Good morning, I am trying to find some commentaries on Herodotus' language on the Net, but I have not yet found anything. So, I would like to know if there is anyone who knows some books available on the Net. Which ones would be the best for you? I cannot afford a purchase of a book from Amazon. Th...
by donhamiltontx
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is this reading representative of any particular tradition?
Replies: 21
Views: 3093

Re: is this reading representative of any particular traditi

Whether this reading is representative of any particular tradition I can't say. However, there is another reading here http://juliustomin.org/apologyingreek.html , so you can compare the two aural versions for yourself. There are more readings from this reader (Julius Tomin, as referenced here http:...
by donhamiltontx
Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: imperfect of πειθω?
Replies: 9
Views: 2081

Re: imperfect of πειθω?

I haven't figured out how to use Perseus for Greek. There are instructions at DIY Classics for creating a keyboard shortcut to Perseus Latin or Greek here https://diyclassics.com/2014/08/15/searching-the-perseus-word-study-tool-in-chrome-firefox/ The instructions are for the Latin dictionary, but j...
by donhamiltontx
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:19 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?
Replies: 6
Views: 2663

Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Is there internal evidence in Greek that the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant before the ending? I.e. Δανα?οί If it helps, Pierre Chantraine’s Dictionnaire Étymologique de la Langue Grecque, Histoire des mots (Paris: Klincksieck, 1968) has this entry on page 251, which indicates no additi...
by donhamiltontx
Mon May 28, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Next steps for an autodidact
Replies: 13
Views: 3355

Re: Next steps for an autodidact

I didn't know about Hadavas either. I notice that he has Lucian's De Morte Peregrini. That was the work for my M.A. thesis way back when. Steadman and Faenum though allow free PDF downloads, which is something of a plus for the budget conscious. Perhaps Textkit needs a sticky note about such commen...
by donhamiltontx
Sun May 27, 2018 8:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: basics: dictionary, grammar
Replies: 13
Views: 2936

Re: basics: dictionary, grammar

A user named Iversen posted a brief description of his method for creating something along these lines at How-to-learn-any-language.com. Here is his post: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7875&PN=6&TPN=2 . Iversen's post is the 2nd post (10/10) on the page. I do wonder ...
by donhamiltontx
Fri May 25, 2018 7:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Resources suggestions
Replies: 54
Views: 69167

Re: Resources suggestions

Julius Tomin owns a website ( http://juliustomin.org/home.html ) that features a number of items concerning Ancient Greek. Of most interest to me is a substantial number of readings. There are readings of 16 dialogues and of the Seventh Letter of Plato, as well as some readings from Aristotle, Homer...
by donhamiltontx
Mon May 14, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Nonnus Paraphrase of the Gospel of John
Replies: 2
Views: 2627

Nonnus Paraphrase of the Gospel of John

An earlier post by chalimac, Works in Homeric Greek not by Homer http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=59669&p=153700&hilit=argonautica#p153700, lists a paraphrase by Nonnus of the Gospel of John, but the link is dead. Here is a working link: http://www.documentacatholicaomni...
by donhamiltontx
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: not really about Stephen Krashen at all
Replies: 38
Views: 27080

Re: not really about Stephen Krashen at all

Stephen Krashen's hypotheses about learning are on the money, in my opinion, for languages where comprehensible input at a level of i+1 exists. Texts at such levels for Ancient Greek do not exist for me in the sense that you and Krashen and I use the phrase "comprehensible input." * Existing readers...
by donhamiltontx
Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 65440

Re: Greek reader reviews

Here is a list of all Reader's I've found. It's a messy Excel file I just dumped info into. If anyone is inspired to, clean it up and re-post the link here. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98867968/List%20of%20Readers.xlsx Just a belated (and probably unnecessary) note that your link is now dead.
by donhamiltontx
Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Key to Greek Ollendorff. Please help!
Replies: 138
Views: 132417

Re: Key to Greek Ollendorff. Please help!

This project looks to be finished. Thanks for your hard work preparing these very useful materials.
by donhamiltontx
Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Resources suggestions
Replies: 54
Views: 69167

Re: Resources suggestions

daivid wrote:I have added a pdf with the section on Book 1 of Xenophon's Anabasis
from
Expeditio Cyri / Xenophon; by J.F. MacMichael.
You will find it here:
http://localhost/kart-hadasht/anc/greeklang/
The link brings up an Error 404, Object Not Found message.
by donhamiltontx
Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek literature paperbacks
Replies: 12
Views: 5701

Re: Greek literature paperbacks

Clarendon Paperbacks published an edition of Wasps , edited by Douglas M. MacDowell. I have used this. It is helpful, but MacDowell does not give as much help as Steadman. Clarendon Paperbacks also published an edition of Clouds and an edition of Frogs, both edited by K. J. Dover. I have copies of t...
by donhamiltontx
Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:05 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Where to find editions with larger font sizes
Replies: 2
Views: 2591

Re: Where to find editions with larger font sizes

Hi, ailuros. Steadman's texts come as pdfs as well as hard copies, and I have always used the pdfs on the computer. Just to confirm, Steadman does use Marchant's edition for Xenophon ( https://geoffreysteadman.com/xenophon-anabasis-i/ ). Very similar to Steadman's versions are works edited by Evan H...
by donhamiltontx
Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to start with Greek verbs?
Replies: 9
Views: 4474

Re: Where to start with Greek verbs?

Wilfred Major of LSU and Byron Stayskal of Western Washington offer another look at the Greek verb “problem” in a paper they published in the Fall of 2011, “Teaching Greek Verbs: A Manifesto.” The title is a bit theatrical, IMHO, but they have some helpful things to say, I think. tcl.camws.org/sites...
by donhamiltontx
Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:15 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Where to find editions with larger font sizes
Replies: 2
Views: 2591

Where to find editions with larger font sizes

In an earlier thread, anphph asked where to find 'critical' editions. http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=65232 . I on the other hand am looking for editions with larger fonts. As an example, I cite the Pleiade edition of the 7 volumes of Proust's Recherche versus the Folio...
by donhamiltontx
Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:56 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Is Caesar "Boring"?
Replies: 12
Views: 10560

Re: Is Caesar "Boring"?

Xenophon has his moments for me, but the constant tramp from one town to the next, one populated, the next deserted, the dullest details of camp life, the whole thing. Where was his editor? That's a good description of Book A chapter 2, but a poor description of the rest of the Anabasis. Agreed, bu...
by donhamiltontx
Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:24 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Is Caesar "Boring"?
Replies: 12
Views: 10560

Re: Is Caesar "Boring"?

What do you think? I find that Caesar, like Xenophon, is an author I enjoy very much. First, a Wittgenstein prelude. When I was a teen, I bought a copy of Maugham's Of Human Bondage for bedside reading, started reading it right away, got bored and put it in the drawer of my night stand. A few month...
by donhamiltontx
Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:08 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Suggestions for Intermediate Level Translation
Replies: 7
Views: 2827

Re: Suggestions for Intermediate Level Translation

Not quite sure what an "intermediate" Latin text would look like and not knowing the content of the two courses you took, I nevertheless suggest you take a look at Eutropius ( Historiae Romanae Breviarium ) and Valleius Paterculus ( Historiae Romanae ). I have read some but not all of both. I would ...
by donhamiltontx
Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Is there any truth to this?
Replies: 8
Views: 3424

Re: Is there any truth to this?

Latin looked easy when the text was diglot of the NT with greek on the facing page. On the other hand start reading the Aeneid and it isn't easy. I gave up decades ago on Latin. I can fake it with the Vulgate in textual apparatus of the GNT. If you want to go back to Latin sometime, try Tacitus. He...
by donhamiltontx
Sun May 22, 2016 6:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 2 Semesters of Intro Greek: Next Steps?
Replies: 7
Views: 2992

Re: 2 Semesters of Intro Greek: Next Steps?

If you choose to go with Homer, P A Draper produced a Steadman-like commentary for Book I of The Iliad. Its commentary is not quite as comprehensive as Steadman's work, and it does not offer a 'core vocabulary,' but I found it useful enough and recommend it.
by donhamiltontx
Sun May 22, 2016 6:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Resources suggestions
Replies: 54
Views: 69167

Re: Resources suggestions

JACT's "Good Text Guide" http://www.jact.org/publications/goodtext/goodtextguide.php A bibliography of annotated Greek and Latin texts published in English-speaking countries. Includes information when available about the type of text (plain text, text with commentary, translation, etc) and how muc...