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by jeidsath
Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι
Replies: 22
Views: 13549

Re: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι

I hope to come back to Babrius shortly, now that I am back in the country. However, I came across something related to Qimmik's point here. M.L. West, in Greek Meter (Oxford 1982), p. 175, confirms what I was noticing above: "[Babrius] invariably has an accented syllable in the penultimate position;...
by jeidsath
Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is crudebake?
Replies: 10
Views: 3758

Re: What is crudebake?

In Anabasis, Clearchus is "ἀεὶ χαλεπὸς ἦν καὶ ὠμός" with his men. Demosthenes referring to a man who, among other things, bit off someone's nose and swallowed it, says "ἢ τί τῶν πάντων οὐχὶ δυσχεράναντες; οὐκ ἀσεβής; οὐκ ὠμός; οὐκ ἀκάθαρτος; οὐ συκοφάντης;" And of prosecutorial misconduct "τίς οὕτως...
by jeidsath
Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:48 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ἢ παισὶν αὐθένταισι κοινωνῇ δόμων (Euripides)
Replies: 43
Views: 23712

Re: ἢ παισὶν αὐθένταισι κοινωνῇ δόμων (Euripides)

Qimmik, thanks for all the comments. Yes I agree that the way that you would escape death through an oath would be to forswear the oath. I think that is implied though, rather than stated. τοι is a particle, not 2d pers. dat. sing. Yes, it comes across as something like the colloquial "you know," ri...
by jeidsath
Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:47 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ἢ παισὶν αὐθένταισι κοινωνῇ δόμων (Euripides)
Replies: 43
Views: 23712

Re: ἢ παισὶν αὐθένταισι κοινωνῇ δόμων (Euripides)

http://heml.mta.ca/lace/sidebysideview2/4148651 Συγγνώμονάς τοι τοὺς θεοὺς εἶναι δοκεῖς, ὅταν τις ὅρκῳ θάνατον ἐφυγεῖν θέλῃ ἤ δεσμὸν ἤ βίαια πολεμίων κακά, ἤ παισὶν αὐθένταισι κοινωνῇ δόμων; ἤ τἄρα θνητῶν εἰσιν ἀσυνετώτεροι, ἤ τἀπιεικῆ πρόσθεν ἡγοῦνται δίκης. I like the feel of the Loeb translation...
by jeidsath
Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:47 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Gal. 1:1 Θεοῦ Πατρὸς
Replies: 12
Views: 6782

Re: Gal. 1:1 Θεοῦ Πατρὸς

Oh Isaac, I cried a tear for you, having read your comment!
by jeidsath
Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:53 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Gal. 1:1 Θεοῦ Πατρὸς
Replies: 12
Views: 6782

Re: Gal. 1:1 Θεοῦ Πατρὸς

Christians started referring to God in ways that the Jews didn't (or not as frequently). Maybe they thought they meant something by it? "Father God" and "God our Father" are expressive terms. By the way, I see what got me tripped up in reading this verse in March (4 months into my Greek voyage). The...
by jeidsath
Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Papyrus fragment from Demosthenes' De Corona
Replies: 9
Views: 3204

Re: Papyrus fragment from Demosthenes' De Corona

Bluth may just be quoting Allen's Vox Graeca, page 66,67. Allen writes:
The development of ει to is revealed by occasional confusion between ει and ι from the late 4 c. B.C., becoming common in the 3 c.
by jeidsath
Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:42 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 192771

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

τίς ἐστίν οὗτος ἀνήρ Mark Lightman; ἔφε "I just took your quiz. I got them all right." νῦν βοήσωμεν εἰς αὖτον.

http://danielstreett.com/2011/09/12/gre ... comment-72
by jeidsath
Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:38 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi, I am Greek (or Graecus)
Replies: 3
Views: 2381

Re: Hi, I am Greek (or Graecus)

Thanks for the reply! I'm sorry that I didn't respond sooner, but I've been traveling. It's great to hear that you support more education for young people. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back over the next few years. By cultural survivals, I did mean superstitions or traditions. The monuments are...
by jeidsath
Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:52 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi, I am Greek (or Graecus)
Replies: 3
Views: 2381

Re: Hi, I am Greek (or Graecus)

It's wonderful to have you here. I have a few questions: How do Greek schools currently handle education in the ancient tongue? I have heard that it is less emphasized today than in previous decades. What are the most important cultural survivals still left today? I have read late 19th century books...
by jeidsath
Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Accents and Agony
Replies: 8
Views: 3806

Re: Accents and Agony

I don't know whether learning accents helps or hinders. I learned them from the start. Be wary of learning a simpler language than the actual Greek, and keep in mind the story of the graduate student, who after badly failing his exam came to his professor and told him, "but I know German!" He then s...
by jeidsath
Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι
Replies: 22
Views: 13549

Re: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι

Paul, Qimmik, your advice has been very useful. I've posted a third recording (v3), but it only reflects the beginning of what will be a great deal of work on applying all of it. As far as the anachronism goes, I have read all of your posts with interest. The regional / dialectical / temporal differ...
by jeidsath
Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι
Replies: 22
Views: 13549

Re: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι

Thanks Qimmik. I added your corrections (as well as θηλύ̄νᾱς on the last line).

Your notes on the iambics were extremely helpful. I've recorded a version 2 -- I'm still not there yet, but I feel that it's much better. Hopefully I will get the chance to the record Fable 1 shortly.
by jeidsath
Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι
Replies: 22
Views: 13549

Vowel length in Βαβρίου Μυθίαμβοι Αἰσώπειοι

I've begun marking the long vowels in Babrius (ed. Perry). My Greek is still poor enough that I can't hear the iambics easily, so I need to do this before making recordings. Please let me know if you spot any errors or missing macrons. Any unmarked α, ι, or υ should be short. I will keep this post u...
by jeidsath
Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools
Replies: 16
Views: 6659

Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Speaking to other developers, I would have called it a script. It was very simple: wget wrapped in a bash for-loop. In general, I don't have the patience for doing things the slow way.

Also a useful temperament for Greek learning.
by jeidsath
Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools
Replies: 16
Views: 6659

Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Never mind. I wrote a program to grab all of the files, zipped them to PDF, and have uploaded everything to archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/luciandialoguesnotes

The dialogues themselves are available here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uJxLAAAAMAAJ
by jeidsath
Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools
Replies: 16
Views: 6659

Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

I have found a digital copy:

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009643054

Click Full View to access. Perhaps someone from a "partner institution" could download the PDF? I don't have the access for that.
by jeidsath
Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: dumb question re: representing greek
Replies: 8
Views: 2928

Re: dumb question re: representing greek

Windows and OS X both have built-in Greek support nowadays. I'd recommend stealing these instructions: http://www.cambridgescp.com/downloads/typegreek.pdf The only additions that I would make would be how to assign a hot key (I switch between Greek and English by pressing option-space on the keyboar...
by jeidsath
Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek Grammars
Replies: 20
Views: 9213

Re: Greek Grammars

What parts of K-G are most useful for non-German speakers?
by jeidsath
Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: textlinguistics and Attic poetry/tragedy
Replies: 49
Views: 11601

Re: textlinguistics and Attic poetry/tragedy

I think that I have as little patience for mumbo-jumbo as Markos, and see it in a lot of linguistic academic writing, but the following sentences are different: 1) She's a witch and he's an oak. 2) She's a witch and he's an oak tree. In the first we have a character description, but in the second a ...
by jeidsath
Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Republic, Iliad, and Anabasis
Replies: 2
Views: 1756

Re: Republic, Iliad, and Anabasis

That is extremely useful, Paul. And I appreciate the amount of work it is to go through someone else's audio like that. I will be using your notes a great deal to revise my pronunciation. All of your suggestions are issues that I can hear once they are pointed out to me, but that I would not have be...
by jeidsath
Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Animated Video of Greek Boy 2
Replies: 5
Views: 2163

Re: Animated Video of Greek Boy 2

ἐγώγε λέγω ὅτι Παῦλος σείεται.

τί λέγει ἀλλός;
by jeidsath
Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:05 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: More "leveled readings" of Greek texts
Replies: 23
Views: 41489

Re: More "leveled readings" of Greek texts

I like this. Here is my contribution. Instead of using leveled versions of the story, I retell the original, but explain vocabulary as I go along: http://greek.io/audio/Aesop%20Fox%20and%20the%20Grapes.mp3 βλέπε, ῶ παῖς. ἡ ἀλώπηξ ἦν, ἧ ἐν τῇ ὕλῃ. τί ἐστι ἀλώπηξ; ἡ ἀλώπηξ ζῷον ἐστίν, ὅμοιον μὲν κύων,...
by jeidsath
Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Animated Video of Greek Boy 2
Replies: 5
Views: 2163

Re: Animated Video of Greek Boy 2

And here is another version with a Koine pronunciation contributed by Paul:

http://www.wideo.co/view/37928814048670 ... ne?from=cp
by jeidsath
Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek or Latin?
Replies: 15
Views: 5637

Re: Greek or Latin?

I have nothing personal to add here, but the following is from W.H.D. Rouse, writing to Ezra Pound: I have a MS, style of Ulysses “The Anger of Achilles” — which the boys enjoyed as much as Ulysses, to my surprise, for the interest is so much psychological; and “The Golden Ass”, which I take to be t...
by jeidsath
Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:01 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: I'm translating the Christian Greek scriptures
Replies: 3
Views: 2526

Re: I'm translating the Christian Greek scriptures

If you understood the rudiments of how the cases work, you would know that ἁγίου has to go with πνεύματος and cannot go with τὸ γεννηθέν. Markos means to say that πνεύματος is genitive, while the noun phrase το ... γεννηθὲν is nominative, so πνεύματος goes along with ἁγίου. That said, this verse do...
by jeidsath
Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Republic, Iliad, and Anabasis
Replies: 2
Views: 1756

Republic, Iliad, and Anabasis

New audio, and a serious question. Does the Iliad have an emergent melody? I have spent the longest time looking for any music that could be fit the iambic pentameter (folk ballads, rap music, anything) but nothing seems to fit the Iliad. The only success I've had is exaggerating the accents until I...
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools
Replies: 16
Views: 6659

Re: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

Thank you for the suggestion. I am very interested in Rouse's notes in particular, as they are in Greek.
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:45 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Member Learning Attic Greek
Replies: 1
Views: 1280

Re: New Member Learning Attic Greek

Neat! You and I share a lot in common, I think. I would love to hear some of your recordings.
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:22 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools
Replies: 16
Views: 6659

Lucian's Dialogues prepared for schools

I am having trouble finding copies of W.H.D. Rouse's notes to this: http://books.google.com/books/about/Lucian_s_Dialogues_prepared_for_schools.html?id=uJxLAAAAMAAJ Does anyone know of a copy? I know that it's in many libraries, but I can't find it on the used market. EDIT: I am looking for the note...
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:23 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Song of Seikilos
Replies: 28
Views: 14943

Re: Song of Seikilos

I've attempted to follow the Vox Graeca sheet music and created some audio (and a PDF of the sheet music): https://archive.org/details/TheEpitaphOfSicilus In my regular spoken Greek, I use a raised pitch on acute, a single-syllable fall for circumflex, and read grave as meaning "there was no pitch a...
by jeidsath
Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:29 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio of W.H.D. Rouse Chanties
Replies: 0
Views: 1398

Audio of W.H.D. Rouse Chanties

https://archive.org/details/rouse_chanties

I have uploaded Boys and Girls Come Out to Play (along with sheet music). As usual, mostly a 4th century Attic pronunciation, per Vox Graeca. I created a midi file as well, but I do not find it very useful, so I did not upload it.
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Animated Video of Greek Boy 2
Replies: 5
Views: 2163

Animated Video of Greek Boy 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_RgBy7hxjY

More of an experiment than a polished product.
by jeidsath
Sat May 31, 2014 11:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation critiques
Replies: 15
Views: 7305

Re: Pronunciation critiques

Thanks so much, Godamy. I've been working fairly hard on pronunciation for the past 6 months, and here is where I'm at now. I've recorded just the section that you did: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B23NN-fS5SQENWVtcVIwRVJiZlE/edit?usp=sharing At the moment, I feel that I still need to work on ba...
by jeidsath
Fri May 30, 2014 10:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek Boy
Replies: 1
Views: 1291

Greek Boy

https://archive.org/details/jeidsath_greek_boy

I'm uploading audio of W.H.D. Rouse's Greek Boy at the above URL. Part 2a has an error in the original text. Rouse's text has Ἱβερνίᾳ, and in the audio, I correct it to Ἰβηρίῃ (let me know if made any mistake with that).
by jeidsath
Thu May 08, 2014 6:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dyskolos
Replies: 4
Views: 2228

Re: Dyskolos

Compare Thuc. 6.96.2 against "famous": καὶ μέχρι τῆς πόλεως ἐπικλινές τ’ ἐστὶ καὶ ἐπιφανὲς πᾶν ἔσω. And Menander sets his shrine to Pan next to a field, not on a cliffside. This isn't a closely based on a real location. "Evident" or "in view" would be better word choices than "open air," I agree. In...
by jeidsath
Wed May 07, 2014 5:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dyskolos
Replies: 4
Views: 2228

Dyskolos

Dyskolos 1.1-4: Τῆς Ἀττικῆς νομίζετ᾽ εἶναι τὸν τόπον Φυλήν, τὸ νυμφαῖον δ᾽, ὅθεν προέρχομαι Φυλασίων καὶ τῶν δυναμένων τὰς πέτρας ἐνθάδε γεωργεῖν, ἱερὸν ἐπιφανὲς πάνυ. I found this translation : Think of this place as a part of Attike — Phyle, to be exact — and the Nymphs' shrine I've come from belo...
by jeidsath
Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation critiques
Replies: 15
Views: 7305

Re: Pronunciation critiques

Here are three new Anabasis recordings. The first two are of chapters that I am very familiar with. The third is of the chapter that I read through for the first time yesterday. So in the third recording, I am reading with about 80% understanding. Anabasis 1.1 4-26-2014 Anabasis 1.2 4-27-2014 Anabas...
by jeidsath
Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation critiques
Replies: 15
Views: 7305

Re: Pronunciation critiques

Double post. Deleted.
by jeidsath
Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:46 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Monolingual Learning Resources ala Lingua Latina
Replies: 14
Views: 12597

Re: Monolingual Learning Resources ala Lingua Latina

Rouse's Greek Boy explains new vocabulary in simple Greek.

Volume 2 of Greek Boy is a Greek to Greek vocabulary.