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by Victor
Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Soph. OT 1247-50 Optatives in indirect discourse
Replies: 17
Views: 5421

Re: Soph. OT 1247-50 Optatives in indirect discourse

The " basic phenomenon " isn't the issue. The terminology is the issue. It's a little difficult to see why you object so strongly to such well established and, to many people, adequately descriptive grammatical terminology. I wasn't surprised to find Barry using this meta language. He is very much ...
by Victor
Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Suggestions for new language name, Please
Replies: 16
Views: 4507

Re: Suggestions for new language name, Please

Hello to all. I have discovered an ancient alphabet and deciphered quite a few artifacts that used that language. ...I was thinking of something along the lines of : ethnos - in the sense of a people of the same race or nationality who share a distinctive culture and graphó, for : I write it is wri...
by Victor
Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"
Replies: 11
Views: 5204

Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Teratonesia, Aporrhe(to?)nesia, Siopo- or Sigonesia, Draconesia (with -k- if you so prefer.) These are not very Greek compounds; as I understand it Is esten writing his book in English or Greek? I understood it was the former. If that's the case, then I don't really see the point of your objection.
by Victor
Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween
Replies: 7
Views: 2714

Re: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween

With spoken Latin there are bound to be different terms for modern things, I don't think that's really a big deal. Imperfect consensus among today's users of Latin on the acceptability of neo-Latin coinages was not the focus of my argument; its focus was the fundamental distinction in status betwee...
by Victor
Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween
Replies: 7
Views: 2714

Re: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween

Most languages aren't afraid to pick up the occasional foreign word, especially if it is something totally foreign, and I don't think Latin should be either. As Latin enthusiasts, I think we're always looking for the "purist" way to state everything, but if we're attempting to be modern and colloqu...
by Victor
Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Soph. OT 1187 ἴσα καὶ paratactic comparison
Replies: 5
Views: 1882

Re: Soph. OT 1187 ἴσα καὶ paratactic comparison

I sense you're trying to interpret parataxis as having a meaning more narrow than the one Cooper intended here. Parataxis, as I'm sure you know, ultimately means no more than "laying alongside". In both examples you've given, the words ἴσα καὶ are simply a means of laying alongside one another two t...
by Victor
Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Soph. OT 1187 ἴσα καὶ paratactic comparison
Replies: 5
Views: 1882

Re: Soph. OT 1187 ἴσα καὶ paratactic comparison

What do you see as essentially paratactic and non-paratactic about the two passages?
by Victor
Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:53 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Qui vs. Quis/, Quid vs. Quod
Replies: 12
Views: 5239

Re: Qui vs. Quis/, Quid vs. Quod

Medicus, when you were consulting Gildersleeve, did you look at section 106, where a note says " Quid is sometimes used for quod , but usually in the phrase quid tibi nomen est , and only in early Latin"? I'd have thought that the sheer number of instances of quid nomen etc. in Plautus (Bennett's Sy...
by Victor
Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: audêre = achieve?
Replies: 4
Views: 1636

Re: Adler: audêre = achieve?

What do you think? I think the difficulty of finding a concise and idiomatic translation for ausus est has caused Adler (or someone) to take a small liberty. Your suggestion "What has he dared?" isn't idiomatic English in my book, and I'm afraid I can't think of any suitable one word alternative, t...
by Victor
Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Difficult Aeschylus passage from Hansen and Quinn exercises
Replies: 5
Views: 1946

Re: Difficult Aeschylus passage from Hansen and Quinn exerci

Aischylos, Seven Against Thebes 4: εἰ μὲν γὰρ εὖ πράξαιμεν, αἰτία θεοῦ wherein the verb of the second clause is implicit and so is the ἀν. The verb that's implicit is just a plain "is", and no ἀν needs to be supplied. You've already translated it this way yourself. You can supply an intended optati...
by Victor
Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: librorum "coemendi" causa?
Replies: 5
Views: 2080

Re: librorum "coemendi" causa?

In any case, the gerundive would be avoided here because of the cumbersome double -orum ending. That's not a particularly safe assumption to make. Some authors (including Caesar and Cicero) show little evidence of avoiding the homoioteleuton, and if they do I imagine they tend to do so by using a g...
by Victor
Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:40 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: librorum "coemendi" causa?
Replies: 5
Views: 2080

Re: librorum "coemendi" causa?

Yes, and this sort of contamination apparently occurs with other cases besides the genitive. Assuming you're OK with German, a good monograph on gerunds and gerundives that touches on the present topic in greater depth is Risch, E. - Gerundivum und Gerundium - Gebrauch im klassischen und älteren Lat...
by Victor
Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin and other Indo-European languages
Replies: 14
Views: 3486

Re: Latin and other Indo-European languages

My personal view is that the Ancient English and French [and maybe other "barbarian"] did not have enough time to develop their old literature to the point of being complicated. By Enough Time, I mean the existing time of the Old Language before it transform to Medieval Language. I'm not sure I've ...
by Victor
Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:08 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What does "M. C." stand for?
Replies: 2
Views: 1314

Re: What does "M. C." stand for?

Carolus Raeticus wrote:Salvete!
Does anyone know what "M. C." might stand for?

Valete,

Carolus Raeticus
It's probably mundo creato here; the case no doubt varies according to circumstances. N.C. will be natum Christum, I'd imagine.
by Victor
Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: odd accusative Aeneas Tacticus, Poliorcetica
Replies: 6
Views: 2002

Re: odd accusative Aeneas Tacticus, Poliorcetica

Is there a major obstacle to our seeing τὰς ἀρχὰς as object to προκαθέντες just as surely as the βρόχον of which the ἀρχὰς are presumably a part? You've apparently had no objection to taking things this way in your translation.
by Victor
Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question for University-Trained Classicists
Replies: 13
Views: 3463

Re: Question for University-Trained Classicists

You don't need a formal degree in the Classics to enjoy them. Maybe he doesn't want just to enjoy them (do you?), and this explains why he has this particular ambition in the first place. I say this without the least intention of being confrontational, but whilst pragmatic considerations may be at ...
by Victor
Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question for University-Trained Classicists
Replies: 13
Views: 3463

Re: Question for University-Trained Classicists

I know of someone who had only A Level qualifications (exams taken in the UK at 17/18 years of age) in Latin and Greek (no first degree) but was offered a place to study for a Masters. The person in question had a first degree in a science subject.
by Victor
Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:46 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Commentary for Lysistrata?
Replies: 11
Views: 3935

Re: Commentary for Lysistrata?

It is in prose, as seem to be many translations. I have to work out the exact year, however, because the Latin publication date is given using these inverted Cs (quite a bit of those), and I am not really comfortable with those. Carolus Raeticus Surely it says somewhere (on the title page, in the p...
by Victor
Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek entries from Sidgwick's diary
Replies: 13
Views: 4133

Re: Greek entries from Sidgwick's diary

Victor, I expect he could toss off iambics without premeditation. True. He'd probably had a lot of practice pumping out lines of the stuff from his early adolescence until now. Still, distracting oneself by meditating iambic effusions might work as a technique to avert premature physical ones. Quit...
by Victor
Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek entries from Sidgwick's diary
Replies: 13
Views: 4133

Re: Greek entries from Sidgwick's diary

Nice find, jeidsath. One thought preoccupies me: were these iambics the morning's spontaneous outpourings, and during the preceding night Charlotte Sophia Sidgwick the sole object of her husband's thoughts, or was Arthur busy mentally composing the morrow's jottings even at the very moment when othe...
by Victor
Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sophocles Ajax 1132
Replies: 31
Views: 10859

Re: Sophocles Ajax 1132

I don’t think we should mock modern linguistic work. It’s usually intelligible on its own terms and can even be helpful, however easy it can be to lose patience with. You're right, of course. New approaches have brought valuable new insights, and I wouldn't want to denigrate the whole of modern lin...
by Victor
Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sophocles Ajax 1132
Replies: 31
Views: 10859

Re: Sophocles Ajax 1132

What I do find confusing, and sometimes even impenetrable, are modern discussions in a self-consciously 'academic' style, which make free with terms such as 'metalanguage', and this may be the sort of thing you have in mind. Is the following impenetrable enough for you, John? "Modalizing particles ...
by Victor
Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sophocles Ajax 1132
Replies: 31
Views: 10859

Re: Sophocles Ajax 1132

My pre-assumption is that while L1 and meta-language can be helpful in the early stages of learning a language, they should ultimately give way to immersion into Greek. Far be it from me to dissuade you from persisting with an approach that suits you, but your whole assumption about the benefits of...
by Victor
Wed May 27, 2015 12:50 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin verse -- a book worth reading
Replies: 1
Views: 1979

Re: Latin verse -- a book worth reading

Yes, that's a stimulating read.
Another one well worth getting hold of is Marouzeau's Traité de Stylistique Latine, originally published in 1935 by Société d'Édition "Les Belles Lettres". Secondhand copies are available for modest sums.
by Victor
Fri May 01, 2015 1:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What does Scil. mean
Replies: 13
Views: 5200

Re: What does Scil. mean

Google "scilicet definition" One of my wife's friends complained in confidence to her the other day that meaningful conversation with her husband was all but extinct because every time she asked him a question on some topic of interest to her his reply was simply that she should go and "Google it"....
by Victor
Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A new monolingual Ancient Greek lexicon now available
Replies: 11
Views: 6292

Re: A new monolingual Ancient Greek lexicon now available

The book looks to be quite limited in its scope, usefulness and appeal, and working out as it does at 2 cents per entry I'd bet about the same money on the likelihood of it ever flying off the shelves. We'd all get something out of it, I'm sure, but there are much cheaper, not to say more profitable...
by Victor
Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Is Classical Greek fluency possible?
Replies: 12
Views: 6163

Re: Is Classical Greek fluency possible?

When every possible teaching method has been tried, and not before, will it be possible to say Classical Greek fluency is not possible. It's always going to be possible to say fluency in Ancient Greek is achievable. Likewise, it's always going to be impossible for anyone to be able to say they've a...
by Victor
Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 30418

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

Huh? If someone can't sight read the New Testament, there's not much he can read in ancient Greek. I can think of one student who...cannot sight-read the New Testament. OK, we gather you find reading the NT easy. John's "much of the NT is indeed relatively straightforward" can hardly be interpreted...
by Victor
Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 30418

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

It is in fact all about understanding, and it is possible to understand minute details while passing over the general message of the author, which is to move the reader, educate him, or amuse him. If you cannot just read the author, setting aside all the tools that obscure as much as they elucidate...
by Victor
Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 30418

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

I'm not talking about understanding perfectly... There's a safely indeterminate degree of latitude there to hide away in. No-one is exaggerating the difficulties. It strikes me that John (out of diplomacy, no doubt) understates the case, if anything, when he says that texts can be under-interpreted...
by Victor
Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: special class of verbs
Replies: 2
Views: 1685

Re: special class of verbs

They've been known to be referred to as passive deponents, but I don't think the term is widely used.
Any good grammar should have a list. It's not a long one.
by Victor
Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 30418

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

You have both brought into evidence the divide that exists between classicists on the one hand and humanists on the other. You are only interested in the language as a means to an end, that is to understand ancient texts. European humanists see Latin (and Greek to a lesser extent) as an end in itse...
by Victor
Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 30418

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

I know a young guy who speaks Latin as fluently as his own native language. How do you know this, Interaxus? Who is there to say how idiomatic his speech is when there are no native Latin speakers around to adjudicate the matter for us? Speed of response and absence of hesitation are in themselves ...
by Victor
Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:47 pm
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Imperfect tense
Replies: 6
Views: 7721

Re: Imperfect tense

aegor wrote:For example, only very rarely do we hear, "I was being in error."
I've never heard "I was being in error." Maybe they say it in some parts of the world I'm not familiar with.
But I do hear things like "I was being ironic" and "you were being thoughtless" all the time.
by Victor
Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4059

Re: katante^santes

How ought I to have looked up the form with e^ (ante^sa) in the dictionaries ? If you look up ἤντησα in the middle Liddell you'll find it listed alphabetically alongside ἤντεον. I should have remembered about the system of -ao^ verbs, though, in the first place. Yes, learning paradigms saves you a ...
by Victor
Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:18 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Biblical philology
Replies: 7
Views: 5606

Re: Biblical philology

Yes, many thanks, Qimmik! It brightened up my day.
The challenge of learning to write flowery Akkadian beckons.
by Victor
Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?
Replies: 14
Views: 8561

Re: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?

Or are the newer impressions only printed on demand? In some cases at least the answer, regrettably, is yes: https://wordery.com/ilias-vol-i-cb-homerwest-9783598714306 (see the second line of blue writing under the price) This is another one I acquired recently that got the POD treatment: https://w...
by Victor
Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?
Replies: 14
Views: 8561

Re: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?

It must only be true of the particular editions I bought (I should add they were all by the same author and part of a larger collection), which were sewn and covered in cloth. Oh I know why this might be the case - I just remembered that the volumes I bought were old-ish (maybe 80s?). I bought them...
by Victor
Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?
Replies: 14
Views: 8561

Re: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?

I know the production quality is excellent (I have some hardcover German books from them) I'm not sure what you're basing that on. I have a dozen or so de Gruyter publications (both soft and hardback) and they are all merely adhesive bound, not sewn, and covered in paper rather than cloth. De Gruyt...
by Victor
Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: id est ante vīgintī diēs - Famlia Romana XXXIII Lines 49–50
Replies: 3
Views: 1624

Re: id est ante vīgintī diēs - Famlia Romana XXXIII Lines 49

Isn't he saying that the letter he just received demum -- "finally" -- was written -- scripta est -- twenty days ago -- ante viginti dies ? That's certainly the way I took it. The subjective evaluation inherent in demum shows us he's not happy about the time it took. However, the resumption of this...