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by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 4067

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way.
If you know that, Barry, because, like Michael, you have some "slight competence" in ancient Greek, I'll accept that :D . Though I would substitute "experience" for "competence".
by RandyGibbons
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Morwood, Oxford Grammar
Replies: 4
Views: 576

Re: Morwood, Oxford Grammar

Sorry, Hugh, I missed what your question is here. Is that your translation, and you're asking commentary on it?

Randy
by RandyGibbons
Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 4067

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way
How on earth would you know that?
by RandyGibbons
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 4067

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Why is the middle form ἐποιοῦ used here? Because ... it was? And if, skeptical for some reason about Plato's knowledge of contemporary Greek, I check out LSJ, I immediately find περί τινος μνείαν ποιεῖσθαι in Andocides and μ. τινῶν ποιεῖσθαι ἐπὶ τῶν προσευχῶν in the Epistle to the Romans, which tel...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:27 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Compounds of cado and caedo
Replies: 3
Views: 414

Re: Compounds of cado and caedo

Hi Robin. I can't answer your specific questions, but as fyi here are two sources for Latin homonyms and homographs: this list from Dickinson College, and this inexpensive book . The definition of homonym in the latter is broad and from memory I'm certain it includes homographs. I own it but am out ...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit 44d
Replies: 7
Views: 665

Re: Crit 44d

the Greek seems very clear As it does to me. Constantinus, what about it is unclear to you? Yes, if I happen to know that μέλειν sometimes has a personal subject, sometimes not (i.e., can be personal or impersonal), does that mean that every time I am reading Greek and I happen to see μέλειν in a s...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:31 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hellenistic Astrology
Replies: 2
Views: 420

Re: Hellenistic Astrology

the astrologers and astronomers of the hellenistic world Let me echo Bedwere's welcome to Textkit. You've got an interesting reason for wanting to learn ancient Greek. Just one fyi, which you may or may not already know: When you say "hellenistic", are you referring to the Hellenistic Era, strictly...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1246

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Having established clarity, I hate to see the waters muddied again, but ... You have to distinguish between the dative with and without a preposition. In the passage in question, it is with a preposition, isdem in erratis , with the preposition omitted in the relative clause precisely as per the Gre...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1246

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

quae sunt isdem in erratis fere quibus ea, quae de Platone dicimus . To be honest, I'm not seeing where the breakdown occurs, but perhaps you're not seeing the sequence of three relative clauses? Barry is a teacher, and perhaps he can be of more help, but let me try. A relative clause is a subordin...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this called reading Caesar?
Replies: 35
Views: 6731

Re: Is this called reading Caesar?

Thank you danbek and HumilisAuditor for calling my attention to Waldo Sweet's Latin: A Structural Approach . I was curious enough to get my hands on a used copy (2nd ed., 1966; unfortunately, while the book is apparently still in print, it is prohibitively expensive). It is, as you aptly pointed out...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1246

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

I wrote: + "both the sun and the soul were god" I think I disagree with both you and Barry here. I think eundemque et solem et animum deum dicere means "and he said the sun and the soul are the same god". (I guess the answer to this would be in Xenophon's Memorabilia , which maybe someone less lazy ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1246

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Hi Hugh. I look forward to your forthcoming essay comparing Cicero and Augustine :D . Your translation: Xenophon also made almost the same mistakes, albeit in fewer words; Socrates, as described by Xenophon, declared that Socratic method was unfitted for inquiry into the nature [formam] of the gods,...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 520

Re: A Passage from Alcmaeon

For the record, it should have occurred to me before to also check the translation of the new (2016) Loeb edition of the Presocratic fragments by André Laks and Glenn Most. Here it is: And sickness occurs, with regard to the agent, from excess of heat or cold; with regard to the [scil. material] ori...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 520

Re: A Passage from Alcmaeon

The terminology is not aristotelian and they are not categories of course but causes. You're right, and thanks for making me realize I was a bit sloppy in using the term "categories", which of course has a special meaning (and its own Wikipedia article!) when talking about Aristotle. And the termin...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 520

A Passage from Alcmaeon

In the history of ancient medicine, there is a well-known doxographic fragment from Alcmaeon of Croton (DK [Alcmaeon] B4) on health and disease. Below is the complete fragment, and I would be interested in any comments on the underlined sentence. Ἀ. [sc. Alcmaeon says] τῆς μὲν ὑγείας εἶναι συνεκτικὴ...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1800

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

That seals the deal for me. Thanks! Bart asked, Are εἰ and ἢν equivalent here, or is there a distinction suggesting a difference in likelihood of one of them happening in the eye of the servants? Bart, thanks for the post. Based on the discussion, unless I'm missing something, it seems the answer to...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1800

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

he was fond of introducing his apodoseis with δέ Yes, that's called an apodοtic δέ (Smyth 2837). I see it a lot in the medical treatises of the Hippocratic Corpus (Ionic and for the most part roughly contemporary with Herodotus). From what I've read, he occasionally omits ἄν I believe you, but do y...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1800

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Paul, just to beat the last living daylight out of this horse, could you affirm what I think is the case, that the new Wilson OCT goes with A (μεταμελήσῃ, ἐπιζητῇ)? If so, I still don't understand the absence of ἄν/ἤν. With all due respect to Herodotus, is it possible that he was a little rusty on h...
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1800

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Abicht's edition uses μεταμελήσεται and ἐπιζητήσει Thank you, Aetos. Though thanks to your citation I see that Abicht's text is μεταμελήσει, not μεταμελήσεται. So that clears up one point: When Abicht says indicative future, he's talking about μεταμελήσει, not μεταμελήσῃ. Seneca is clearly correct ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 31, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1800

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Thanks, Aetos, for anticipating a request I was going to make, i.e., for someone with a critical edition to check the apparatus. Do I understand the following correctly?: Abicht reads εἰ μὲν μεταμελήσῃ τῷ Καμβύσῃ καὶ ἐπιζητέῃ τὸν Κροῖσον and takes μεταμελήσῃ to be an indicative future? Does he take ...
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 30, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1800

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Here μεταμελήσῃ is aorist subjunctive
Abicht seems to think it is an (Ionic) future indicative.
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 24, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: English Writing Skills
Replies: 4
Views: 652

Re: English Writing Skills

You might try "Strunk & White", a classic work on writing American English.
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 23, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Arabic translations of Aristotle
Replies: 1
Views: 310

Re: Arabic translations of Aristotle

So could it be inferred based on this that the late 9 c. Greek was much closer to classical Greek [than] is usually supposed? Constantinus - I would guess no, but that's purely a guess, and not an educated one. If you can read the Arabic, maybe you can teach me/us something (what is your nationalit...
by RandyGibbons
Mon May 20, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary
Replies: 6
Views: 866

Re: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary

The intermediate Greek readers from Nimis and Hayes, for example, these works from the Hippocratic Corpus.
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 16, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 1547

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

To complement Herodotus, read chapters 12-24 of Airs, Waters, Places in the Hippocratic Corpus for a "scientific" explanation of the difference between Europe and the races of Asia (including Thrace, Egypt, and Libya).
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 16, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: After Mastronarde
Replies: 15
Views: 1925

Re: After Mastronarde

On Pythagoras and the Presocratics, a good standard college textbook is Kirk-Raven-Schofield, often cited as "KRS". It has the Greek text and English translation of many of the fragments (there are only fragments) along with discussion.
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 15, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 1547

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

Hi Lukas.

I don't know that I would venture an answer to your question. But I would suggest Kitto's The Greeks.
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 15, 2019 3:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: After Mastronarde
Replies: 15
Views: 1925

Re: After Mastronarde

should I just dive in and start tackling a text in all it's Hellenic glory, and hustle through as best I can, ... is working through another text book just a good way to avoid the inevitable confrontation with the real thing? You seem pretty self-confident as well as realistic, so I agree with Dant...
by RandyGibbons
Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: the happy sheep
Replies: 2
Views: 477

Re: the happy sheep

Baa baa.
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 08, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 1193

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Did you find that Hale and Hoyos worked for you? Yes, to the extent I needed such mediation by the time I read Hale and Hoyos, which to be honest wasn't much. "By the time Origi scored the fourth — a brilliantly clever corner routine, orchestrated by Trent Alexander-Arnold — the goal that returns L...
by RandyGibbons
Tue May 07, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 1193

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

I see what you mean, and I like your rhythm metaphors. (By the way, is your example of Thucydides hypothetical, or are you reading some Thucydides?) Anyway, you might want to take a look at something I wrote about the kinds of sentences you're talking about. If you're so inclined, scroll down to the...
by RandyGibbons
Mon May 06, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck
Replies: 16
Views: 1999

Re: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck

I went through all of Mastronarde in two months, and by the end my neck and back hurt constantly.
Another option: Sue Mastronarde and then use the money to pay for a good physical therapist.
by RandyGibbons
Sun May 05, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 49
Views: 7578

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Congratulations! The gerund and the gerundive are quite common, and you'll get used to them quickly with more reading experience. The passive future constructed with the passive perfect participle and īrī is much less common, and the day you're reading Latin and encounter it and know what it is and ...
by RandyGibbons
Sun May 05, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides: "αἰδοῖα καὶ ἐς ἄκρας χεῖρας καὶ πόδας"
Replies: 3
Views: 606

Re: Thucydides: "αἰδοῖα καὶ ἐς ἄκρας χεῖρας καὶ πόδας"

No. All we know is what Thucydides said, which is that he also experienced the plague.
by RandyGibbons
Sun May 05, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck
Replies: 16
Views: 1999

Re: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck

Well, exorcist, you've broached the dirty little secret none of us like to talk about: Greek is a pain in the neck. And I have to admit I resent the Greeks for making me feel like I was a barbarian living a useless life before becoming an Atticus. But, seriously, I too have had neck and back issues ...
by RandyGibbons
Sat May 04, 2019 6:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck
Replies: 16
Views: 1999

Re: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck

Here is my solution:

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by RandyGibbons
Thu May 02, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 1193

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Hi Sean. I would feel bad if I left you believing I was being serious, when I was only pulling your leg :lol: . I'm afraid I was reacting to the notion of reading sentences by looking for their (in your wish, color-coded) parts of speech, which to me is not reading at all. But in any case, the only ...
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 01, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 1193

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Hi seanjonesbw. Just as fyi, I seem to remember reading something like the following. I'll do my best to recall it from memory, and perhaps someone else will know the specifics. There was a school of Hellenistic philosophy, I believe a descendant of the Peripatetic school, that published a theoretic...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Introduction to Latin poetry
Replies: 22
Views: 4159

Re: Introduction to Latin poetry

Understood, of course. But for myself I believe a well-done oral presentation with examples (distributed as a video) would greatly complement if not almost substitute for the tedium of the gobs of written introductions that exist. Hearing versus reading information about. (Roberto/Bedwere - As Micha...