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by RandyGibbons
Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Videos or audio which teach proper pronunciation and pitch?
Replies: 8
Views: 2617

Re: Videos or audio which teach proper pronunciation and pit

Dear Wishfulcrystal. As Michael says, there's no such thing as "proper pronunciation" of ancient Greek. But there's no lack of strongly held opinions about it! You can learn a lot for example from this Textkit topic: http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67785 . Some recording...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64821

Re: Greek reader reviews

Reply, part 2. So here's my candidate for another reader. It's unabridged text from ancient authors, without grammatical or linguistic help, yet it occurs to me in some ways it is an ideal bridge from preparatory Greek and Latin to the real thing. I'm speaking of Edelstein and Edelstein's Asclepius:...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64821

Re: Greek reader reviews

I have been spending some time in the last couple weeks reading through and learning from old Textkit topics I was unfamiliar with. "Greek reader reviews" I found especially interesting and beneficial. I have a suggestion for another reader to throw into the mix, which I will do in a second reply. H...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Writing IPA
Replies: 8
Views: 2716

Re: Writing IPA

ευχαριστώ πολύ, oroudjis. For general purposes, I use the 'insert Symbols/Special Characters' feature in Windows (I guess that's the equivalent of the Mac Character Palette) and the Windows US International Keyboard quite a lot, but I've had a hard time finding many of the IPA symbols, especially th...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Writing IPA
Replies: 8
Views: 2716

Re: Writing IPA

Ah, on the Weston Ruter site you linked me to, type (for example) r, then click the diacritic, and voilà: r̩ !! (Doesn't display real well in whatever font is being used here, but that's another matter.) Thanks! As to your side point, while, to be honest, I'm not 100% sure I get it (if you mean 'tak...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Writing IPA
Replies: 8
Views: 2716

Re: Writing IPA

Thanks, ἑηκβόλος. One of my stumbling blocks has been how to apply/type the IPA diacritics. For example, a "dot" (Unicode: COMBINING VERTICAL LINE BELOW; are there official IPA names for the diacritics?) sub-scripting a letter/symbol marks the letter/symbol as syllabic. I was just reading a scholarl...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Writing IPA
Replies: 8
Views: 2716

Writing IPA

Browsing recent Textkit posts has rekindled a question I have often had before, done some research on, and then quickly abandoned: Does anyone have recommendations or guidance on (1) IPA keyboards & fonts for Windows 10 (in my case) or Mac, and (2) writing IPA on the internet (e.g., in Textkit)? (On...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:19 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?
Replies: 7
Views: 3951

Re: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?

Of the three articles recommended by Professor Bennet (above), I just read the only one immediately available to me*, Martin West's The Rise of the Greek Epic . It is an excellent survey of the archaeological, mythological, and linguistic evidence for the development of epic prior to the Iliad and t...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:21 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?
Replies: 7
Views: 3951

Re: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?

I'm not sure where in this thread or elsewhere a claim was made that Linear B has made huge contributions, quantitatively, to Homeric studies. I didn't know 'PIE' and 'B' were in competition. I'll take insight wherever it comes from. Scribo - Maybe you don't mean "illiterate" as harshly as it sounds...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:01 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?
Replies: 7
Views: 3951

Re: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?

My thesis: Since the two fallen warriors on the seal are wearing kilts, they must have been mercenaries brought over from Scotland. The "hero" is probably the grandfather or great-grandfather of Nestor, and further linguistic study will reveal an ever-so-slight Gaelic influence on the oral poetry of...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:47 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?
Replies: 7
Views: 3951

Re: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?

“Some scansion problems ‘can be resolved if you restore older forms of Greek which are consistent with the dialect recorded in Linear B documents’” Professor Bennet (director of the British School at Athens), whose quote this is from the NYT article, was kind enough to respond to me, saying the fol...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11108

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

correction: I think credit for the references to Dillon and McNeal go to you, rmedinap.
by RandyGibbons
Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11108

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

Johannes, A belated thanks for your references to R.A. McNeal's Hellenist and Erasmian and Matthew Dillon's The Erasmian Pronunciation of Ancient Greek: A New Perspective . I only just came to realize that one can register an account with JSTOR and get up to three free articles at a time on one's "s...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: grammar rationale?
Replies: 35
Views: 9163

Re: grammar rationale?

Thanks, Hylander, for graciously letting me off the hook! Thanks, hlawson38, for explaining your thought process. As for your "too old," though, I'll see your 'old' and raise you a few years (quite possibly decades), which is why my poor brain more and more frequently makes mistakes like thinking Hy...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: grammar rationale?
Replies: 35
Views: 9163

Re: grammar rationale?

Sorry, I don't insist on it, just an unconscious mistake. Sorry, Hylander!
by RandyGibbons
Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:50 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: grammar rationale?
Replies: 35
Views: 9163

Re: grammar rationale?

Would Cicero have known the difference (as Highlander also asked)? mwh, you also ask whether it would have registered with a native reader as one or the other, given the coincidence of form . Not sure if we know whether or not there was a coincidence of form, see this 1988-1989 article Perfect Subju...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: grammar rationale?
Replies: 35
Views: 9163

Re: grammar rationale?

Highlander wrote, It doesn't make a whole lot of difference ... Barry wrote, True enough -- regardless of how the construction is conceptualized in our meta-language, the meaning and rendering of it remains the same. While personally I don't think there's any question but that Highlander and mwh's a...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 6269

Re: Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek

The more you know about etymologies, PIE, Indo-European languages, and the historical development of Greek, the more you can get out of it. Thanks again, Altair, for taking the time for such an informative reply. To buy or not buy Beekes? In the end for me at least, it's not as much a price questio...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 6269

Re: Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek

Thanks, Altair, that is extremely helpful (as I contemplate whether or not to buy this at its "reduced" but still mighty steep price). One question I have (in complete ignorance of the subject) about IE etymology books in general: How much if any study of Proto Indo-European or Sanskrit should I hav...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 6269

Re: Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek

No problem, thanks for letting me know the rule. And thanks for letting us know about Beekes, which I wasn't aware of.

Randy
by RandyGibbons
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Greek Vocab
Replies: 11
Views: 4724

Re: Learning Greek Vocab

Smyth's Greek Grammar has an appendix with a comprehensive list of all Greek verbs (from all periods) with any irregularity. There's a depressingly large number of them! I once decided to bite the bullet, or "swallow the dictionary," and study that list. I also started recording them since, like tru...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11108

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

jeidsath makes my point: The only two people who will ever like your reading of (ancient) Greek are yourself and your mother!
by RandyGibbons
Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11108

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

Thank you oroudjis and Paul. Σύμφημι. And thank you, Paul, for making the connection to Stefan Hagel and the Assimil program. When I was resurrecting my Greek a few years ago, I enjoyed the (partial) recordings that accompany the Athenaze and Reading Greek programs, but most liked and tried to emula...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11108

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

Dear oroudjis, thanks for the link to Stratakis. I agree, I find his reading pleasant (and yes, I think helped by the fact that's he Greek) and indeed pretty much the sound I wish I could get. But ah hah, you're Greek! Let's say I'm an American (or a Mexican, i.e., a non-Greek) teaching Greek 101 to...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: good Budé editions?
Replies: 6
Views: 2452

Re: good Budé editions?

Here's a random addition to your list, if it's not too late: I've just been reading some of the works from the Hippocratic Corpus, including On Airs, Waters, and Places . With its extensive introduction and commentary, the 1996 Βυdé ( Airs, Eaux, Lieux ) is by far the best edition I've found. (The 1...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11108

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

Great thread. I can say this for an absolute fact: Only two people will ever like the way you read ancient Greek, yourself and your mother. (Unless you're native Greek.) I was taught Greek 101 in college using Crosby & Schaeffer. I suppose the pronunciation we used was "Erasmian," though the profess...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Composition Exercises
Replies: 41
Views: 20997

Re: Athenaze Composition Exercises

Speaking of the Italian Athenaze , and apologies if I'm violating any Textkit etiquette here, I'm trying to unload the complete Italian Athenaze set (Volumes 1 and 2, plus the Μελετήματα , the Quaderno di esercizi , and their edition of La Tavola di Cebète ), but only as part of a bookshelf-clearing...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do modern greeks learn ancient greek
Replies: 17
Views: 15766

Re: how do modern greeks learn ancient greek

Seems like I've had an experience similar to Scribo's, And yes, a sensitive topic best to avoid. But I'll add my anecdote or two. I was a graduate student in classics at the University of Cincinnati in the early 70's. The department had a strong connection to Greece because of the department's domin...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Kühn's Galen Opera Omnia (Medicorum Græcorum)
Replies: 9
Views: 5314

Re: Kühn's Galen Opera Omnia (Medicorum Græcorum)

My recent experience with the Corpus Medicorum Graecorum has some good and some bad. On the plus side, It's a professional production, based on first-hand manuscript recension; it's legible; it sometimes has a (German) translation. On the negative side, it has a PDF conversion function, but it only ...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Kühn's Galen Opera Omnia (Medicorum Græcorum)
Replies: 9
Views: 5314

Re: Kühn's Galen Opera Omnia (Medicorum Græcorum)

Jeidsath, Coincidentally earlier this year, and at a time when I was not using Textkit, I too bit the bullet and managed to find and download all 20 volumes. I'm pretty sure most were from Google Books. I wish I had known of your post, because it would have saved me a heckuva lot of time and tedium ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: struggling with word order
Replies: 12
Views: 4860

Re: struggling with word order

Dear Tugodum, My first piece of advice would be, while prose composition is a valuable undertaking, don't struggle! Word order in Greek is not something that's right or wrong, but something you can arguably develop a feel for with, as jeidsath says, copious reading (more so than with copious composi...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus
Replies: 11
Views: 5423

Re: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus

You might hit your head on a rock. You rank the difficulty of a number of authors and genres in your personal experience. I could do the same, and my ranking would be pretty much the same as yours. I took a seminar on Sophocles two years ago. Yes, the tragic choruses were more "difficult" than Xeno...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus
Replies: 11
Views: 5423

Re: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus

"So I would argue that the difficulty of a texts is absolutely crucial." Yes, I agree, after you've had Secondary Language 101 and 102, and you're ready to attempt some extended piece of writing, it's crucial that you pick something the reading of which you find enjoyable rather than frustrating. Th...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus
Replies: 11
Views: 5423

Re: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus

"Difficult" in the sense I meant it has nothing to do with how you learned the language well enough to take a crack at Lysias, Xenophon, or Herodotus without the aid of a translation. Let's posit someone who's learned Greek with the best modern methods and has a good natural feel for the language; i...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How hard is Greek to learn?
Replies: 3
Views: 2355

Re: How hard is Greek to learn?

Dear Adrienne,
Do you mind if I ask you why it matters to you how "hard" it is? Learning any language is hard, isn't it? The experience for me is enjoyable and gratifying, but it takes a dedicated effort, as I'm sure you know.

Again, if I may ask, what's your interest (or passion?) in learning Greek?
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler's Course
Replies: 3
Views: 2477

Re: Adler's Course

Dear Ursinus, About six years ago I completed the entire Adler Course. It took about a year and was well worth it. You can read about my experience, if you like: http://latinandgreekselftaught.blogspot.com/2011/05/. You wrote "it was kind of boring." Why is that, do you think? Perhaps you're past th...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus
Replies: 11
Views: 5423

Re: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus

IMHO, I would get away from the notion of "difficult". Let's stipulate that reading an ancient language is by its very nature difficult; anyone who thinks they are going to get "good" enough to read an Oxford Classical Text or Teubner edition, unaided by a commentary, as if it were a modern novel is...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Why is Aristotle considered difficult in the original Greek?
Replies: 3
Views: 2055

Re: Why is Aristotle considered difficult in the original Gr

Hi Dominic. Decades ago I took a graduate seminar in Aristotle. The purpose of the seminar was in fact 'how to read Aristotle'; Aristotle had the reputation of being difficult to read, and it seemed so in the seminar, though I don't recall any details. Many of Aristotle's writings are thought to be ...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:09 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Is Textkit dead, administratively?
Replies: 4
Views: 2446

Re: Is Textkit dead, administratively?

Χαῖρε, ὦ Μάρκε, Textkit Zealot! I have been working for several years on a YouTube video project that uses Comenius for purposes of Latin and Greek vocabulary building, taking advantage of the fact that Comenius's Latin textbooks were translated into ancient Greek. I get voluntarily sidetracked quit...