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by paulusnb
Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:05 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

We could assign a section to each person and they are responsible for leading the discussion, playing devil's advocate, etc. Perhaps the lead person starts with comment/notes on text and then pushes an extreme interpretation or two to elicit responses. Anyone know any standards of Ovidian scholarshi...
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

So, Book I begins April 1st. Book I is 775 lines. We should probably split it up by stories. Finishing up the ages should get us to line 150. stopping at 313 is right around where the flood ends and Deucalion and Pyrrha show up. 313-416 ends at the recreation of men. 416-568 is creation of animals a...
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Rhodopeius wrote:This is an excerpt I absolutely had to share. It's from Ovid's Ars Amatoria, Book II

This is nice. Although I must admit that I love anything with Odysseus in it. He is my favorite literary character. Falstaff is a close second.
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

One possibility could be that rather than saying 25 a night, we say 100-150 a week. I don't know about a nightly commitment.
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

Also, this is a schedule from the Iliad group. A little less ambitious than our 25 lines a night. Schedule: (provisional at the moment) * May 1: Introductions. * May 8: Lines 1-10. (GTSS lessons 1 & 2) * May 15: Lines 11-21. (GTSS lessons 3 & 4) * May 22: Lines 22-34. (GTSS lessons 5 & 6) * May 29: ...
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

This page http://www.textkit.com/groups/info.php claims that Annis is the one to contact about the study group. Here is the info What We Ask of You: Required * Study groups must work through Greek or Latin text or textbooks. * Your study group must be absolutely free to join. * You cannot advertise ...
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

Simmer down regazzi. Non parlo Italiano. :D the main purpose would be read without translating, trying to understant the latin text primo visu. Absent some pretty impressive Jedi mind melds, I am not really sure how an online forum group studies a text without some translation. This "main purpose" i...
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:43 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

Anyone know of a good text to the works we are talking about? Vergil has Pharr, but what about Lucretius and Cicero? I have a version of Ovid (http://www.amazon.com/Ovids-Metamorphoses-Books-1-5-Latin/dp/0806128941/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236829082&sr=8-4), but I am not crazy about it. The w...
by paulusnb
Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

Not to complicate things, but what about Lucretius? Would anyone be up for this? I would really like to do On the Nature of Things. I must admit that I read De natura deorum as de natura rerum :oops: Silly me.
by paulusnb
Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:54 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

These are my choices in order of preference: De Natura Deorum, Ovid: Metamorphoses Book I, Vergil: Aeneid Book I. The lazy person in me says to do the Vergil since I am pretty familiar with Book I. I would be going in blind with De Natura Deorum, but I have always wanted to read it, and I think I ne...
by paulusnb
Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:19 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Horace 1.20 XX Vile potabis modicis Sabinum cantharis, Graeca quod ego ipse testa conditum leui, datus in theatro cum tibi plausus, care Maecenas eques, ut paterni 5 fluminis ripae simul et iocosa redderet laudes tibi Vaticani montis imago. Caecubum et prelo domitam Caleno tu bibes uuam; mea nec Fal...
by paulusnb
Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Traditional grammar textbook
Replies: 8
Views: 3083

Re: Traditional grammar textbook

Wheelock's is a textbook, not a reference. It is probably a good complement to Lingua Latina. Our Latin Heritage is a good (I say better) non-inductive textbook option http://product.half.ebay.com/Our-Latin-Heritage_W0QQprZ66425QQtgZinfo Each chapter (60) contains 10 Latin to English and 10 English ...
by paulusnb
Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 33733

Re: Study Group

I would be up for a Latin Text, though I admit my intentions are always more impressive than my actions. I am currently posting poems under the "poems anyone" topic and Rhodopeius has been posting selections from Vergil. You could post some poems there. Most of my selections have been from Horace. I...
by paulusnb
Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Some Good Latin Primers
Replies: 2
Views: 1270

Re: Some Good Latin Primers

I assume when you say primer you mean easy "reader"? Here is a good primer of Medieval Latin. Easy selections. Poor notes and Bad dictionary though. http://www.amazon.com/Primer-Medieval-Latin-Anthology-Poetry/dp/0813206359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236713240&sr=8-1 Beginning Latin Poetry Read...
by paulusnb
Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:33 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Which is more difficult to learn, Greek or Latin?
Replies: 6
Views: 20080

Re: Which is more difficult to learn, Greek or Latin?

I would second Lex's opinion, if for no other reason than vocab. As an English speaker, you already know a lot of Latin vocab. Not so with the Greek. On the other hand, if your goal is to simply read New Testament Greek, mastering it might be easier than mastering Latin. With New Testament Greek, yo...
by paulusnb
Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:20 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: What's everyone reading?
Replies: 60
Views: 18898

Re: What's everyone reading?

Maybe the cliche about the pace of modern life is true, and I'm just too much a part of the ADHD generation to be able to adjust. Certainly, if the pace of life in Northanger Abbey is any reflection of reality, life back then was much slower paced. I like to think that my tastes have been refined b...
by paulusnb
Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:04 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Catullus' idea of Romantic Love?
Replies: 6
Views: 3839

Re: Catullus' idea of Romantic Love?

"Scortilla" is the diminutive form of scorta. It means "little slut." I checked it and he does not call Lesbia this. This is the friend's girl in the forum.
by paulusnb
Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:01 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Sorry I have not posted in a while. Life is in the way. I do not, at present, have time to comment on the poems above. I will post a quick and easy one of Martial's to make myself feel better about not keeping up this thread Martial 10.47 Vitam quae faciant beatiorem, Iucundissime Martialis, haec su...
by paulusnb
Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:31 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Catullus' idea of Romantic Love?
Replies: 6
Views: 3839

Re: Catullus' idea of Romantic Love?

Catullus' relationship with Lesbia is not just physical. That would be to love like the herd, something Catullus says his own love is not like. Catullus says time and time again that his is a purer love. On occasion, he mentions a sacred contract that Lesbia has violated. As far as the Physical in C...
by paulusnb
Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:17 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: What's everyone reading?
Replies: 60
Views: 18898

Re: What's everyone reading?

I've read somewhere that everybody is either a Tolstoy person or a Dostoyevsky person; that nobody really loves both. Can you hate both? I read both Tolstoy and Dostoevsky a long time ago (10 years) . I recently tried picking up Crime and Punishment and became very impatient with it. I do not know ...
by paulusnb
Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:17 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Duff's Elements of NT Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 13592

Re: Duff's Elements of NT Greek

Auberon wrote:I'm in chapter 4 and prepositions. It's not that bad…I put the prepositions and their cases on flash cards and I have half of them memorized already. I don't mind getting them in a big batch—I will have to learn them all eventually. Why not now?
I guess I am winy. :D
by paulusnb
Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:33 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Does someone know Italian?
Replies: 2
Views: 1429

Re: Does someone know Italian?

grazie
by paulusnb
Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:19 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Does someone know Italian?
Replies: 2
Views: 1429

Does someone know Italian?

I had a friend order the Italian Athenaze and he recently received this message. la presente per segnalarLe che siamo ancora in attesa della merce, relativa al Suo ordine A470178E del 28/1/2009 da parte del fornitore. Le ricordiamo che potrà collegarsi al link http://www.unilibro.it/find_buy/member/...
by paulusnb
Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:10 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Grammar question please.
Replies: 14
Views: 4538

Re: Grammar question please.

Thanks Paul, that was what I had understood , but, indeed I have come across a paper in which just the nominative case is given. Best skip that question! I am not sure what you mean. You have to remember the genitive. In order to complete a test or exercise with nouns, you must know the genitive, o...
by paulusnb
Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:08 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Grammar question please.
Replies: 14
Views: 4538

Re: Grammar question please.

The stem is from the genitive pl. I think the rule is to take off -um or -rum and that is the stem. For example, the stem of navis is navi because navium - um = navi. The stem of puella is puella because puellarum - rum = puella. The stem of dominus is domino because dominorum - rum =domino. Stem is...
by paulusnb
Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:48 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Grammar question please.
Replies: 14
Views: 4538

Re: Grammar question please.

You can only know the declension of a noun if you know its genitive. This is always a giveaway. The genitive of gradus is gradus; therefore it is fourth.
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Superavi

Maybe this page will help with the Catullus. http://polyaplatinlit07-08.wikispaces.com/Catullus+72
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:44 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Lesbia, at one time you were speaking to have known Catullus alone But not to be willing to hold Jupiter in front of me At that time I didn't like you so much as an acquaintance but your father __ likes appropriate son-in-laws Now that I have known you: even if, how strong I burn You are, however, ...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: For Sale Oxford Latin Dictionary
Replies: 9
Views: 2572

Re: For Sale Oxford Latin Dictionary

Payment would be via Paypal and I can happily provide tracked express international post at a bit extra ($10 US). So wait. You have paypal but do not want to use Half.com or ebay? Where do you live friend? Maybe I can walk over and do the transaction in person? PS. at the price you are charging, yo...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Superavi

I will have to respond later. My daughters are up from their nap and must be attended to.
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

translation and Comment on 1.5 Pyrrha, what slender boy is pressing against you now, In the many flowers, steeped in odorous perfumes, under the pleasing grotto? For whom do you knot your blond hair, simple in your complexities? Alas, how often will he bemoan faith and the changing gods,and, unaccus...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:31 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Superavi, this is for you...... Hopefully this is not confusing. Underlined = verb. Adjective and Noun pairs have italics or bold. If an adjective agrees with a noun from another line, I used the asterisk. V Quis multa gracilis te puer in rosa perfusus liquidis urget odoribus (perfusus modifies boy)...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: For Sale Oxford Latin Dictionary
Replies: 9
Views: 2572

Re: For Sale Oxford Latin Dictionary

How about this. Send the book to the school where I teach. (e-mail me in the forum). I can even give you a purchase order. Then, upon receiving the book, I will reimburse you.

You can check all of my posts to Textkit. I am a stand-up guy.
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:57 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

You teach Latin in high school? I imagine that would be pretty damn hard, seeing the difficulty my Spanish teachers had with most of their students. I taught Latin in an excellent High School for the past few years. My students were all Honors only. This year, I switched to a Middle School (family/...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

"I forbid any impious person to travel in the same boat with me. Jupiter often struck an innocent in pursuit of an unholy." I guess it depends upon how one defines impiety. Is it impious to simply not believe in the gods, or is impiety shouting out one's lack of belief in the gods? It is one thing ...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

Are there any poets/poems that are easier to translate, so that I can ease myself into poetry not cannonball? These poems are fairly short, fairly easy, and absurdly famous. Catullus 1, 2, 3, 5, 13, 51, 70, 72, 75, 85, 87, 109 Horace 1.5, 1.11, 1.13, 1.23, 3.9, 3.30 I will give you an assignment. D...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

On to the comment. I said earlier that Horace likes to play with the names of the people he is addressing his poem to. This poem is no different. The name Postume is related to the word Posthumous, which means after death. This is a poem about death and it is no accident that Horace names the addres...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:07 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poems anyone?
Replies: 53
Views: 23060

Re: Poems anyone?

I shall cheat a little a do one of my favorite Horace poems. It is II. XIV. I will post a translation first and a comment later. XIV Eheu fugaces, Postume, Postume, labuntur anni nec pietas moram rugis et instanti senectae adferet indomitaeque morti, non, si trecenis quotquot eunt dies, 5 amice, pla...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:50 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How to improve my Latin?
Replies: 9
Views: 5522

Re: How to improve my Latin?

I don't feel prepared having studied the grammar to move to what he's giving us. You have just described the experiences of Latin students everywhere. :D On a side note, the glee I am taking over your pain must be what redneck dads feel like when they introduce their sons to the devil-water. But, t...
by paulusnb
Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Salvete! I'm new!
Replies: 4
Views: 1644

Re: Salvete! I'm new!

Salve et tu. but I'm at the make it or break it point I think. No such thing. Keep it up. :D Translations are extremely difficult and it is hard to apply the grammar I learned, but if I can get through where I am I think I can progress quickly. The grammar will come in time. It took years for my tea...