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by annis
Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:23 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Printing errors in Pharr book still?
Replies: 8
Views: 6948

Re: Printing errors in Pharr book still?

How does the revised edition differ from the original? Mostly in the notes on the Homeric Text. Pharr was prone to some seriously tangential commentary. Wright trimmed away some of those, and in early chapters wrote headers explaining some grammatical material helpful to people who might not alread...
by annis
Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:19 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: English Meter
Replies: 15
Views: 4966

Re: English Meter

why can it not even gain a foothold in English verse? It's not contrastive in English, whereas in Greek and Latin vowel length could be the sole difference between two otherwise identical words. Without training, a native English speaker will have no reason to attend to vowel length. To speak Latin...
by annis
Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: prepositions
Replies: 2
Views: 1177

Re: prepositions

Gigas, can you make your flag more wee?

In Homer and later Greek verse you can use a bare accusative to indicate a destination with verbs of motion. Very, very rarely a dative may be used to indicate a place (no motion, "at"), again only as a feature of verse style.
by annis
Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "Change" in Homer
Replies: 1
Views: 918

Re: "Change" in Homer

The best I could think of and find was ἀμείβω and related forms.
by annis
Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:58 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Some Thoughts
Replies: 14
Views: 4490

Re: Some Thoughts

I apologize if this offends the people using them, What you've said is not so much offensive as rather self-involved. Different people study Greek and Latin for different reasons, and Textkit is set up especially to cater to those who aren't necessarily on an academic or professional Classicist tra...
by annis
Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

I draw no conclusions, but I want to ask what the attraction was of this particular text? First, because there is a text at all. The longest continuous text from any early Stoic is Chrysippus' Hymn to Zeus . After that it's only fragments and quotations from other authors. Second, while Epictetus c...
by annis
Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:19 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: help me pronounce
Replies: 1
Views: 1182

Re: help me pronounce

sinhakumara wrote:Greetings friends ! A query for you. The "T" and "D" sounds in Greek
Are more like the continental pronunciation than English.
by annis
Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: NT text from Athenaze
Replies: 2
Views: 1292

Re: NT text from Athenaze

With accents —
ταύτην ἐποίησεν ἀρχὴν τῶν σημείων ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἐν Κανὰ τῆς Γαλιλαίας.

This Jesus made (as) a beginning/first of his signs in Cana...

ταύτην cannot be attributive here — the thing it goes with has no article.
by annis
Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Poll: Third favorite site for Greek?
Replies: 6
Views: 2236

Re: Poll: Third favorite site for Greek?

I'm afraid Perseus hasn't been very high on my list for quite a long time. It's too unreliable. Once I had Diogenes my main use for Perseus — the unabridged dictionaries — had a more reliable solution.

Probably Bibliotheca Augustana is the site I most often search first for particular texts.
by annis
Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:35 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν
Replies: 6
Views: 8315

Re: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν

Skirnir wrote:τί σοι τὸ φιλώτατος τὸ μέρος λόγου;
ὑπερθετικόν ἐστὶ τὸ “φιλώτατος.”
by annis
Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sentence from "From Alpha to Omega"
Replies: 1
Views: 1701

Re: Sentence from "From Alpha to Omega"

because αὐτὴ is nominative here, it must either mean "self" or "very". I do not, however, see anything in the sentence which this is predicates or is attributive towards... Aah, you do see it, and you've even translated it correctly, but most of us aren't used to thinking about agreement this way. ...
by annis
Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:30 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: arais aris
Replies: 2
Views: 1172

Re: arais aris

Welcome back!

I've not seen GGG in some time.
by annis
Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Dual
Replies: 4
Views: 1391

Re: The Dual

How frequently does the dual occur, and does it warrant memorisation? It depends on what you are reading. It's not uncommon in Homer. It's less common, but still occurs, in classical Attic (I heard once that using it was characteristic of the speech of aristocrats) and pretty much non-existant in K...
by annis
Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Passage from Timaeus?
Replies: 7
Views: 2956

Re: Passage from Timaeus?

NateD26 wrote:Is τοὐκεῖ crasis for τὸ ἐκεῖ
Yes.
which functions as the subject of the verb
Not quite. πέλαγος εος τό (open) sea. So, ἐκεῖ is attributive, "the sea there, the sea at that place," κτλ.
If so, does the following clause function as absolute genitive?
Yep.
by annis
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Passage from Timaeus?
Replies: 7
Views: 2956

Re: Passage from Timaeus?

Well. That is a bit odd. So I had to go digging, and as often, there's an old schoolboy commentary with the Borg (google books). From R.D. Archer-Hind 's edition — πηλοῦ κάρτα βραχέος I believe this reading to be perfectly correct, although I am unable to produce an exact parallel. βραχέα was the re...
by annis
Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:53 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: A strange place to find a reference to Homer
Replies: 2
Views: 1356

Re: A strange place to find a reference to Homer

Is there a level where all of his friends are turned into pigs? That would make things more interesting. ;)
by annis
Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:52 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ancient Greek music
Replies: 7
Views: 2824

Re: Ancient Greek music

I'm confused. What exactly is well-tempering? Equal tempering isn't really possible without certain kinds of technology. Since that hadn't been invented yet, there were several well-tempering schemes which approximated equal tempering. They removed the nastier harmonic howlers from the remote keys ...
by annis
Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:12 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ancient Greek music
Replies: 7
Views: 2824

Re: Ancient Greek music

From Ancient times up through Bach's Well-tempered Klavier, which I believe is not, as most scholars say, the Equal Tempered system we have in use today. It was well-tempering he used for that, not 12ET (12-tone equal tempered). I have a hypothesis that Bach knew that one could never have a "perfec...
by annis
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: κυμαντῷ
Replies: 3
Views: 1184

Re: κυμαντῷ

Archilochus? Funky. M.L. West puts this as part of Hipponax 115. In any case, his text has κυμα ... δου (with dubious dots under the δου). In the apparatus, "possis κυμαίμ vel etiam κυμαίν[ο]ι μου·"
by annis
Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Recent Greek Grammar?
Replies: 7
Views: 2430

Re: Recent Greek Grammar?

LSorenson wrote:Albert Rijksbaron, Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek, 3rd ed., U Chicago Press, 2002.
Everyone who studies ancient Greek should have this one.
by annis
Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: frustrated by verb stem/changes
Replies: 7
Views: 7169

Re: frustrated by verb stem/changes

I agree with Chad that there's something slightly perverse about classing verbs by the present tense forms. For example, by the standards of the rest of Classical Greek -μι verbs are especially strange only in the present and imperfect. In addition to the tools at Perseus, you can get the book All t...
by annis
Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:32 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: For the budding Assyriologist
Replies: 1
Views: 1156

For the budding Assyriologist

There is some nice learning material at Cuneiform Revealed , including links to a video of someone practicing their cuneiform with clay and a carved-up chop-stick. There's a precis of Akkadian grammar, and even reading lessons (with answers). The only caveat is that you'll need to install a Unicode-...
by annis
Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:52 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ancient Greek music
Replies: 7
Views: 2824

Re: Ancient Greek music

Are you interested in this material for your own compositional purposes? To ancient Greek scholars, music theory was a branch of mathematics. For a very thorough treatment of Greek (and some Greek-inspired Arab) music theory, from the perspective of a modern composer interested in just intonation, J...
by annis
Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Recent Greek Grammar?
Replies: 7
Views: 2430

Re: Recent Greek Grammar?

Can someone suggest a good recent work on ancient Greek grammar, preferably one intended for a linguist audience? If you want a grammar, there is no such thing. At least not in English. It is a tragedy of the current state of classics that most of our reference tools are antiques. For a linguistic ...
by annis
Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Chilon of Sparta (Athenaze p.61)
Replies: 10
Views: 4647

Re: Chilon of Sparta (Athenaze p.61)

I did not have access to LSJ On the contrary! If you have access to Textkit then you have several ways to get access to the LSJ. There are two separate interfaces at Perseus ; you could download Diogenes to your computer, or use the version I have at Aoidoi.org . There's even a new iPhone app, Lexi...
by annis
Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Chilon of Sparta (Athenaze p.61)
Replies: 10
Views: 4647

Re: Chilon of Sparta (Athenaze p.61)

in this quote it is in dative? the translation would be: "in a pledge, mischief/ruin is present (and harm)." It is dative in the quotation I found. It's not uncommon for prepositions, when joined to verbs, to still exert their normal influence. So, πάρεστι in the meaning "be near, be present" can t...
by annis
Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Chilon of Sparta (Athenaze p.61)
Replies: 10
Views: 4647

Re: Chilon of Sparta (Athenaze p.61)

From Paroemiographi Graeci , p.394 — Ἐγγύῃ πάρα δ’ ἄτα : πάρεστι φησὶ τῇ ἐγγύῃ ἄτη καὶ βλάβη. From the footnotes: ἐγγύα, πάρα δ’ ἄτα: ἐπὶ τῶν ῥαδίως ἐγγυωμένων καὶ κακῶς ἀπαλλαττόντων. In the notes on these proverbs ἐπί + gen. seems to be the usual way to describe the situation to which the proverb ...
by annis
Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:03 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν
Replies: 6
Views: 8315

Re: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν

υπερ του ευρηκα , γραφῃ τις ουτως: παρακειμενος ενεργια οριστικη τριτον ενικος τὸ τοῦ “εὕρηκα” ἀναλύειν· [ῥῆμα] παρακείμενον ἑνεργητικὸν ὁριστικὸν ἑνικόν πρῶτον [πρόσωπον]. σκόπει μὲν ὅπως τὰ ἐπίθετα πάντα συμφέρεται τῷ “ῥῆμα,” τῷ λόγου μέρει, ἐὰν δὲ περὶ τῆς διαθέσεως μόνον λέγῇς, παραλαμβάνεται ἢ...
by annis
Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:43 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν
Replies: 6
Views: 8315

Re: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν

NathanSmith wrote:υπερ του ευρηκα, γραφῃ τις ουτως: παρακειμενος ενεργια οριστικη τριτον ενικος

γεγραφα ορθως;
πλείονά τινα προσθήσω τῇ σελίδι ὀλίγον ὕστερον, ἵνα σαφεστέρα ᾖ.
πως μεθερμηνευῃ τις "to parse";
τῷ “ἀνα-λύω” ἂν χρῴμην.
by annis
Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:50 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν
Replies: 6
Views: 8315

τὸ περὶ γραμματικῆς λέγειν

ἐάν τις ἑλληνιστὶ ἐθέλῃ περὶ τῆς ἑλληνικῆς γραμματικῆς λέγειν, ἴσως χρήσιμον νομίσει τόδε — Greek Grammar in Greek.
by annis
Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Conflicted results of accentuation
Replies: 12
Views: 4732

Re: Conflicted results of accentuation

jaihare wrote:[Do you mean the only incorrect form? How can οὐκ ἐστί be the only correct form when a majority of textbooks have οὐκ ἔστι?
D'oh! I accented ἐστί like the other forms of εἰμί. Fixed.
by annis
Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Conflicted results of accentuation
Replies: 12
Views: 4732

Re: Conflicted results of accentuation

So, to summarize, would you say that the forms οὔκ εἰμι and οὔκ εἰσι are correct or incorrect? That depends on the authority you consult, at least as far as I can see. :) Now, the 3sg. ἐστί has a bunch of rules unique to it, so that οὐκ ἔστι is the only correct form (Chandler 1882 §938). Several au...
by annis
Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:24 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Sanskrit Recommendations?
Replies: 7
Views: 6083

Re: Sanskrit Recommendations?

I will go backwards, hopefully avoiding any emesis on the way... There is no textbook in English that I know of which teaches Vedic. Like Homeric Greek, Vedic Sanskrit is an earlier form of the language mixed with an unnaturally lush collection of alternative grammatical forms. Actually, there's som...
by annis
Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Conflicted results of accentuation
Replies: 12
Views: 4732

Re: Conflicted results of accentuation

NateD26 wrote:I'll begin reading it tonight.
Oy! This is a book to consult, not read. And I say this as someone who finds Sihler's comparative grammar a suitable bedside book.
by annis
Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:17 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Conflicted results of accentuation
Replies: 12
Views: 4732

Re: Conflicted results of accentuation

All questions are answered here, though you may be sad to have asked: http://books.google.com/books?id=6KgNAAAAQAAJ

For the most part, editors are in agreement about what sort of accenting should happen when and where. There are certain edge cases, however, where things can get messy.
by annis
Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:05 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Indo-European cognates in Non-IE languages
Replies: 4
Views: 2270

Re: Indo-European cognates in Non-IE languages

Estoniacus Inoriginale wrote:I think these indeed could be Indo-European... but HOW?
I have no idea about crow, but considering no one in Chihuahua would have had occasion to see a horse until after the Spanish arrived, I trust "kawé" is Indo-European — from Spanish caballo.
by annis
Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aspirated diptongs' pronounciation
Replies: 5
Views: 2373

Re: Aspirated diptongs' pronounciation

Nevertheless, in compounds with certain prefixes the aspiration is kept out of orthography; but in pronounciation? This is a gap in the orthography. I pronounce the aspiration in compounds, even if it isn't written. Not only is it consistent with the behavior of καθ-ορῶ, but from time to time we ge...
by annis
Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aspirated diptongs' pronounciation
Replies: 5
Views: 2373

Re: Aspirated diptongs' pronounciation

The aspiration is initial, as the earlier spelling ΗΟΙΣ indicates. It's just a convention of orthography that breathings and accent marks go on the second element of a diphthong. The only word I can think of that has a written aspiration mid-word, between vowels is εἶἑν (the interjection, not the op...
by annis
Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Cebes Tablet passage
Replies: 3
Views: 1748

Re: Cebes Tablet passage

How serendipitous! I recently blogged about Cebes. If he comes up often in Athenaze, you might find some of the reference I link to useful. The problem with the word δαιμόνιον is etymological. Because it's the ultimate origin of the English word "demon" — which is pretty universally understood negat...
by annis
Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: PIE transitivity and the Greek accusative
Replies: 2
Views: 1533

Re: PIE transitivity and the Greek accusative

In other words, my question is it is possible that the original role of the accusative was not direct object at all, but that this became a secondary role in later stages of PIE, and was subsequently passed on to greek and latin? It seems awfully strange to me that, if this were the case, somehow e...