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by annis
Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Greek word in Edgar Allan Poe's Bon-Bon
Replies: 2
Views: 2017

Re: A Greek word in Edgar Allan Poe's Bon-Bon

I suspect φρένες (φρήν ἡ) is meant. It looks like an OCR error, edited by someone greekless.
by annis
Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation issues
Replies: 7
Views: 4479

Re: Pronunciation issues

(I'm 90% convinced that we should just pronounce Ancient Greek like Modern Greek, so long as we keep in mind that they are not the same.) For people who read a lot of Greek poetry, aiming at a workable reconstruction can be valuable. I take W.S. Allen's fifth century Attic as a good middle ground t...
by annis
Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a nice reference (for a class)
Replies: 5
Views: 2431

Re: a nice reference (for a class)

He's also the author of the excellent guide to interpreting the abbreviations in an apparatus, which I have known about for years. Not sure how I missed the other docs.
by annis
Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a nice reference (for a class)
Replies: 5
Views: 2431

a nice reference (for a class)

I ran across this recently: Greek Grammar Handout 2011 (73 pages worth!). Some of the material is more fully covered in standard references, but it has a nice mix of interesting observations and learning hints. I quite like page 70.
by annis
Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:08 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: "Scanned" text of Homeric Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 11539

Re: "Scanned" text of Homeric Greek

There is a new edition of Pharr's Homeric Greek coming out in April according to Amazon. From the website: Paperback: 456 pages Publisher: University of Oklahoma Press; Fourth Edition (April 2, 2012) Well, that's great. It's nice to know this book is being updated a bit, but still keeping its core ...
by annis
Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:06 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homer - Odyssey - Book II
Replies: 5
Views: 4272

Re: Homer - Odyssey - Book II

Well, εἴπω is subjunctive here, so it doesn't really have a temporal reference, listen to... whatever I say.
by annis
Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aoidoi: a little dialect reading
Replies: 1
Views: 1117

Aoidoi: a little dialect reading

Today I took the opportunity afforded by a head cold to work up two poems of Bion. They're not terribly long (8 and 11 hexameter lines), and I find they're pretty straightforward reading, even if they are in dialect. So, here's your chance for easy early exposure to Bucolic Doric . Bion 9 is about w...
by annis
Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: usage about suneimi
Replies: 2
Views: 1540

Re: usage about suneimi

The verb is probably ξυν-ίημι (see Smyth §777, 2nd aorist optative column).
by annis
Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Root vowel in τρέπω
Replies: 14
Views: 5863

Re: Root vowel in τρέπω

pster wrote:Typically I ask some flatfooted question and spiphany or Nate answers it. :D
οὕτω δὴ πάντες ἀρχόμεθα. :)
by annis
Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Root vowel in τρέπω
Replies: 14
Views: 5863

Re: Root vowel in τρέπω

Is this standard practice at Textkit now? Straightforward questions on Greek morphology hijacked to become yet another dreary battlefront in the endless American culture wars?
by annis
Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Scholiastic Phoenix: Scholiastae.org (and some Aoidoi)
Replies: 0
Views: 1152

Scholiastic Phoenix: Scholiastae.org (and some Aoidoi)

Just under three years ago I started up a new site in which I installed Wiki software with some add-ons I wrote to make it easy (well, easier) to mark up texts like I do for Aoidoi.org. It was a flop. After a few initial things, I became the sole user of the thing. So, at the end of April, the Wiki ...
by annis
Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Root vowel in τρέπω
Replies: 14
Views: 5863

Re: Root vowel in τρέπω

But I had never stopped to notice this case where there are three short vowels sloshing around and I was wondering whether there was any principle at work. My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that otherwise, this verb follows a general pattern. τρέπω is a special instance because it has an /r/...
by annis
Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: διεφθάρμην
Replies: 2
Views: 1290

Re: διεφθάρμην

The verb stem is φθείρω. When a verb starts with a consonant cluster other than stop + liquid, there is no reduplication but an augment ἐ-. That augment doesn't get further augmentation in the pluperfect. Smyth §444, "when the perfect stem begins with a vowel the pluperfect retains the prefix of the...
by annis
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: greek for everyday stuff
Replies: 4
Views: 2177

Re: greek for everyday stuff

This isn't fully translated, but you might find it a useful start: Greek Phrase Book.
by annis
Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Hyperbation
Replies: 5
Views: 2901

Re: Hyperbation

I'm not sure whether I would necessarily consider this hyperbaton or not (at least the way Smyth defines it), just word order that's unnatural in English. Hyperbaton seems to involve violating phrase and/or clause boundaries (i.e., parts of prepositional phrases should stay together, attributive ad...
by annis
Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἀποθνήσκω
Replies: 3
Views: 2011

Re: ἀποθνήσκω

Does ἀποθνήσκω have a middle in the present? Here is the LSJ: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=apoqnhskw&la=greek#lexicon If it doesn't show up in the LSJ, then it probably does not. More generally, are we supposed to assume that intransitive verbs lack middles? Are we at least supposed ...
by annis
Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a
Replies: 11
Views: 4654

Re: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a

garfield2244 wrote:You found this random paper, e-mailed the author, and posted the reply--all way beyond any effort I would have been able to put in to the question.
Well, your question made me interested in the matter, too. I might as well share the work of my linguistic enthusiasms. :)
by annis
Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a
Replies: 11
Views: 4654

Re: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a

Fauconnier gave me permission to quote a few paragraphs from email, I hadn't come across an example of this use of ὃν τρόπον yet but I agree that it seems to be a clear example of an internally-headed RC. My first thought would be to would analyze the RC as the direct object of the verb ἐπύθεσθε (ha...
by annis
Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a
Replies: 11
Views: 4654

Re: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a

φεῦ! That's not an illegal example of an internally headed RC, I was just reading too quickly.
by annis
Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a
Replies: 11
Views: 4654

Re: Rel. pronoun with adverbial accusative, Phaedo 58a

but somehow my brain is very bothered by the use of a relative pronoun without any antecedent, explicit or implicit. It seems like there can't really be one, because you just can't make a phrase like that. You can, in fact, make a phrase just like that. Granted, they're not very common in Ancient G...
by annis
Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Augment?
Replies: 4
Views: 2022

Re: Augment?

Honestly I don't see much point in Tutti i Verbi Greci these days. You're posting here, so you presumably have fairly regular access to the internet or at least a computer. In a world with Perseus (internet) and Diogenes (on your own computer), there's not much call for TVG, which is just to help pe...
by annis
Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Augment?
Replies: 4
Views: 2022

Re: Augment?

2) And with a verb like ἥδομαι, ἡσθήσομαι, ἥσθην, it seems like you really need to know more than the principal parts to conjugate it, for example, to know that the aorist passive subjunctive retains the eta at the beginning. Comments? observations? What would the eta become? If there's an eta in t...
by annis
Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:51 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Chp XLV- line 201 scansion
Replies: 6
Views: 5536

Re: Chp XLV- line 201 scansion

But as I'm sure Annis didn't take βροτός as an example by chance, I'm left wondering if there's always an explanation of this kind... Quite a few instances of this are the result of historical changes of the sort you mention here, syllabic resonants in proto-Greek resolving into their modern forms....
by annis
Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Who put the commas in Attic texts?
Replies: 8
Views: 3090

Re: Who put the commas in Attic texts?

I thought that the Byzantines did a lot of it. Is there a convention to disregard Byzantine punctuation among contemporary editors? I'm sure the Byzantines did some, but no modern editor is likely to pay that more than passing attention. The reason I'm curious is that I've found some that in my ver...
by annis
Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Who put the commas in Attic texts?
Replies: 8
Views: 3090

Re: Who put the commas in Attic texts?

The editor of whichever text edition you have. Just like spaces between words, all punctuation you see in a recent edition of an ancient text is a modern convenience.

Edit: i spel gud
by annis
Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:10 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Chp XLV- line 201 scansion
Replies: 6
Views: 5536

Re: Chp XLV- line 201 scansion

First, because unaccented minuscule Greek makes me cry: καί μιν φωνήσας ἔπεα πτερόεντα προσηύδα· - - - - - | u u - u u - u u - - The tricky word here is προσηύδα. Even though it starts with πρ- the short alpha at the end of πτερόεντα must be scanned short. It's possible this common formula originall...
by annis
Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "Teach Yourself" Users: Binding?
Replies: 10
Views: 3862

Re: "Teach Yourself" Users: Binding?

Interaxus wrote:Betts and Henry have seen the error of their ways. No sign of a lunate sigma in the latest edition of their book.
Let's hope this is a wider trend.

The glue binding of the entire "Teach Yourself" language serious has always been erratic.
by annis
Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Not sure I want to know
Replies: 1
Views: 1163

Re: Not sure I want to know

I just noticed that the numbering for Plato goes, for example, 32a, 32b, 32c, 32d, 32e in the Loeb but when Greek letters are used goes 32α, 32β, 32 ξ , 32δ,32ε!! Why is that?! Somehow I know that the answer is going to have to do with Byzantium. The Stephanus numbers don't have a Greek version. :)...
by annis
Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:21 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Double Contraction in Verbs with -oέω?
Replies: 2
Views: 1395

Re: Double Contraction in Verbs with -oέω?

Nope, verbs get one stem contraction apiece.

The only regular instance of double contraction I can think of is in names that end in -κλης (Smyth §265).
by annis
Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Fed up with Perseus
Replies: 16
Views: 11042

Re: Fed up with Perseus

I can't help you with the vocabulary generation tool. Sometimes that works for me, sometimes not (though I haven't used it in a while). For simply interacting with texts, as well as getting parsing and dictionary entries, you might find Perseus under PhiloLogic more reliable. It can generate word li...
by annis
Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:43 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Textkit Answers - Try it Out
Replies: 6
Views: 3769

Re: Textkit Answers - Try it Out

I have mixed feelings about this. What sort of questions would belong on that, as against the forum? I don't really see our main business here as answering questions — but educating. The forum format seems more flexible for that, even if it does mean questions get repeated.
by annis
Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:40 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Epictetus as you've never seen him.
Replies: 0
Views: 1437

Epictetus as you've never seen him.

Animated.

You can follow along in Greek or English.

(Via opɯdʒɯlɯklɑr.)
by annis
Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Look what I found! Greek downloads!! Other languages too!!
Replies: 6
Views: 3586

Re: Look what I found! Greek downloads!! Other languages to

pster wrote:And given the absurd copyright laws that we have actually, it seems all are acting perfectly legally.
The law is no substitute for moral thinking. Aristotle might have thoughts on this, too. :)
by annis
Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Look what I found! Greek downloads!! Other languages too!!
Replies: 6
Views: 3586

Re: Look what I found! Greek downloads!! Other languages to

Well, Bakker's Companion to Ancient Greek is nowhere near out of copyright — it was published last year.
by annis
Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Look what I found! Greek downloads!! Other languages too!!
Replies: 6
Views: 3586

Re: Look what I found! Greek downloads!! Other languages to

Erm. Some of these are pushing hard on copyright dates, and some are outright rip-offs, unfortunately,
by annis
Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:25 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Metrical quantity of the participle, grapsas?
Replies: 5
Views: 4400

Re: Metrical quantity of the participle, grapsas?

IIn Iliad 6.169, the participle (at least the only way I can scan it) grapsas must be a spondee. Since the preposition en which follows begins with a vowel (and never had an initial digamma as far as I can tell), the aorist active participle nominative masc/fem singular ending, -as , must be intrin...
by annis
Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:03 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Perseus Project Data Set - XML?
Replies: 7
Views: 5781

Re: Perseus Project Data Set - XML?

You might have better luck interacting with the MySQL dumps. At the very least, you could import those into MySQL, then query the data back out and dump it into a more agreeable format.
by annis
Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:57 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Perseus Project Data Set - XML?
Replies: 7
Views: 5781

Re: Perseus Project Data Set - XML?

Oh, man. φεῦ φεῦ! Before I decided on the wiki format for Scholiastae.org, I spent some quality time with the Perseus XML. I tried running it through a validating XML parser. That was not a happy experience, mostly due to missing DTD files (local and remote both). Missing entity definitions made me ...
by annis
Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to go about with the pitch accent
Replies: 1
Views: 1219

Re: How to go about with the pitch accent

The perfect fifth is reported to us by ancient grammarians. I personally have the suspicion this wide an interval refers to the practice of public speakers, where you'd expect that sort of exaggeration. In contemporary languages with pitch accent, a fifth is awfully wide. I use a much smaller interv...
by annis
Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?
Replies: 23
Views: 20671

Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Woah. Serious necropost!
rustymason wrote: * Stories and Legends: A First Greek Reader, by F.H. Colson (1888) (notes and vocabulary in back; ~2700 Greek words)
http://books.google.com/books?id=WqsBAAAAYAAJ
I have this in hardcover. It's a nice little book.