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by annis
Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 34122

Re: Study Group

So I've loaded Metamorphoses Book One into Scholiastae. I've written a small program (Kasper — in Python!) to convert the Latin Library's very clean HTML into my wiki markup (well, except book 13, which goes insane about half way through). I'll add a few more books in the next few days. I generally ...
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 34122

Re: Study Group

Will, re your query (in the open forum) about a suitable text, I am using the text from the Latin Library. They seem trustworthy. Which book, and how many lines for the opening sessions? And it seems like the mailing lists aren't getting set up properly (they exist, but don't seem to receive mail)....
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:34 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: first declension practice
Replies: 23
Views: 15267

Re: first declension practice

jaihare wrote:Does it still grab the proclitic accent? ἄδελφέ μου?
Enclitic, and yes.
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Required Texts for Scholiastae
Replies: 9
Views: 3255

Re: Required Texts for Scholiastae

Kasper wrote:What do you think of this idea?
I approve!

Is there a suitable online version that is unencumbered by copyright and is reasonably reliable we can grab as the base text?
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 76
Views: 34122

Re: Study Group

For notes, as I've said, if we use the scholiastae.org site, we can make something like this http://www.scholiastae.org/scholia/Hesiod/Theogony/1-115, for translation could be Google Docs. 8) Yes, yes, please keep translations away from Scholiastae! :shock: But otherwise, by all means. Scholiastae ...
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Musically Instrumented Textkittens
Replies: 11
Views: 4383

Re: Musically Instrumented Textkittens

tjnor wrote:I play (at a rudimentary level) the uilleann pipes (tibia utriclaris).
oooOOooh! I've never been brave enough to drop the cash required for those.

I had a cheap pair of highland pipes once, but after concussing neighborhood children with them a few times, I had to put them away.
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:36 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: first declension practice
Replies: 23
Views: 15267

Re: first declension practice

Also, obscure grammatical point —
jaihare wrote:ἀδελφέ μου,
The vocative of ἀδελφός is accented irregularly:  ἄδελφε.
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

When there are a few more people joined up, and I have whichever web based homework system we're going to use ready for you, I'll send a preliminary schedule to the mailing list. Another week at least, but everyone should be working on mastering the alphabet already.
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:30 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: first declension practice
Replies: 23
Views: 15267

Re: first declension practice

jaihare wrote:(I put it in all caps 'cause it looks better. Ἰασών just doesn't have the aesthetic appeal that ΙΑΣΩΝ has!)
Tsk, tsk. You're a budding Homerist now — spell it Ἰήσων. ;)
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:37 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Musically Instrumented Textkittens
Replies: 11
Views: 4383

Musically Instrumented Textkittens

I can't remember the last time we discussed this, so... what musical instruments to Textkittens play when their noses aren't buried in Homer or Vergil? For years and years I've played Irish flute and tin whistle, and then picked up mandolin. But a few months ago I had a complete breakdown, partially...
by annis
Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:24 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Required Texts for Scholiastae
Replies: 9
Views: 3255

Re: Required Texts for Scholiastae

Somnium Scipionis was my second major encounter with Cicero. Is this still widely read?
by annis
Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for Classical Greek OCR Software
Replies: 21
Views: 22004

Re: Looking for Classical Greek OCR Software

I'm aware of no OCR system that copes with Greek correctly with satisfying regularity. At best it can speed up your first pass, but any text coming out the other end will still have to be carefully edited. For the longest time the Perseus people didn't even attempt OCR, but instead hired out transcr...
by annis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:24 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Required Texts for Scholiastae
Replies: 9
Views: 3255

Required Texts for Scholiastae

Until now I've only been putting up texts on Scholiastae for which I already had notes in waiting. So, they've been very small. My next step is to upload a few of the major texts and do light markup to make them easy to add scholia to (i.e., divided into sections neatly, etc., etc.). Which works see...
by annis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:48 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: §560 - Syllables
Replies: 12
Views: 7399

Re: §560 - Syllables

Now... You said "The only way a naturally short vowel gets to be prosodically long ... is if it has a consonantal coda." I take it a "consonantal coda" means a consonant following the vowel in the same syllable ? I can't find anything about this in Pharr. I'm using the vocabulary of modern phonetic...
by annis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:54 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: §560 - Syllables
Replies: 12
Views: 7399

Re: §560 - Syllables

I'm still confused. My (mis?)understanding was that the syllable containing the ε in Ἀγαμέμνων is long by position (§522), since it's followed by two consonants. What I don't understand is why the μ should be considered part of that syllable because the vowel is long. I didn't think it was necessar...
by annis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

jaihare wrote:Once we've signed up, then what? :)
You wait for the other people to sign up. :) The mailing list is the usual place for questions specific to the study group, as well as the usual place to hash out the schedule. But let's get more people in the list first.
by annis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:01 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: §560 - Syllables
Replies: 12
Views: 7399

Re: §560 - Syllables

Because the ε of Ἀγαμέμνων scans long so the μ must belong to the same syllable as the ε, otherwise the ε would scan short. It sounds a bit circular, but as far as I know, it's the explanation for these things. Yep. In Homer, when a stop and a resonant (ν, μ, λ, ρ) are next to each other, say in πα...
by annis
Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:56 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: first declension practice
Replies: 23
Views: 15267

Re: first declension practice

For those in our study group, I think it might be worthwhile to point out the interesting connection between the dative forms. Notice that all of them have ῃ in the termination. (singular) δειν ῇ > (dual) δειν ῇ ιν > (plural) δειν ῇ σι Ooh. For the dual the dative and genitive forms are identical. ...
by annis
Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

The mailing list portion of the site exists now: http://textkit.com/mailman/listinfo/pharr-e_textkit.com Visit that and fill out the form to sign up. As a spam-prevention measure, I have to click buttons to approve subscription requests. It just means there may be a few hours between when you sign u...
by annis
Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:12 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: §560 - Syllables
Replies: 12
Views: 7399

Re: §560 - Syllables

I notice the division of the word Ἀγαμέμνων is a little strange in §560. Pharr has it divided as: Ἀγ-α-μέ-μνων I would expect it to be different, especially the accented syllable. Is it correct as written here? This is odd. For the purposes of Homeric scansion, I would scan it as Ἀ-γα-μέμ-νων. I ha...
by annis
Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

Well, I'm ready. Nothing yet about the software? :) There is a complication. (There always is where computers are involved.) Paul's willing to set up his software for a Pharr study group, but he hasn't done much with it in a while — long enough, that he cannot get into his server account, nor can h...
by annis
Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Etymology of "anchor"
Replies: 11
Views: 8303

Re: Etymology of "anchor"

Is "Neos" a linquist or even a scholar or philologist? The answer to that question is obvious, but that's not really the problem here. Textkit doesn't demand degrees of people before they can participate. The problem is one of acting expertly in a well-studied, highly technical subject about which ...
by annis
Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

My only caveat is that I've been studying Attic Greek for a while now on my own. I've gotten to the point where I can read basic texts with labor, but I have no experience with Homeric Greek and I'd like to try that. You'll misuse the article a lot at first. In Homer, it's a demonstrative. Other th...
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

jaihare wrote:That software is used both on LatinStudy and on GreekStudy, and it's really easy to use. Could you show us the results of the software you're talking about? Is it at all intuitive? I'd like to at least look it over and see how it works and such.
See Ed's post.
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:32 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Question about Collations
Replies: 2
Views: 2800

Re: Question about Collations

We have never bothered with the "write out declensions" assignments — only the exercise sentences (both G->E and E->G) and after lesson 13, the Iliad translations (which you should do in the order G->E, Iliad, E->G).
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

Adelheid wrote:I would like to pitch in too as a guide.
Yay!
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

Normally, you send your work to someone who volunteers to collate it. You submit it in an agreed-to format. I suggested that we use GE for "Greek to English" and EG for "English to Greek." The software (developed by Kurt Lougheed) We've never used that software. The very first lists had people just...
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:13 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Mailing List Options
Replies: 1
Views: 2491

Re: Mailing List Options

jaihare wrote:d. Is Yahoo! Groups a decent idea?
Only if you like ads.

Textkit has mailing list software (using the Mailman system).

Patience is a good idea. :)
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:41 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Pharr §16 - Question
Replies: 5
Views: 3750

Re: Pharr §16 - Question

jaihare wrote:I'm not even sure what a hexameter is, though it looks like "six" and "count." Don't know what caesura is either.
Pharr will explain it when he starts in on the Iliad.
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:15 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Pharr §16 - Question
Replies: 5
Views: 3750

Re: Pharr §16 - Question

jaihare wrote:My guess would be that it modifies the closest one (θαλάσσης δεινῆς - the terrible sea).
For now that's the best rule to follow. As you read more Homer you'll start to notice a few repeated patterns of phrasal distraction. Learn enough of the hexameter to find the caesura!
by annis
Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:13 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Similarities between Homeric and Koine
Replies: 1
Views: 2645

Re: Similarities between Homeric and Koine

jaihare wrote:How did the Koine receive these forms? Why didn't it follow Attic?
The base dialect of the Homeric language is Ionic, sometimes called Old Ionic in this context. The Koine, while mostly Attic, pulled in some later Ionic forms, too.
by annis
Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Etymology of "anchor"
Replies: 11
Views: 8303

Re: Etymology of "anchor"

Neos wrote: I can come back with my etymologies.
Nope. You already have two separate blogs with the same information, and they continue to display the antiquated phantasies I objected to in the first place, and no apparent inclination to engage with current work.
by annis
Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49221

Re: Study Group

The way this usually works is that someone (or several someones) are nominally in charge of the group — that person is responsible for the schedule, etc. In the past we've also had "guides" — people who are already comfortable with Homer and who correct work. In general, to have only one person in c...
by annis
Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:11 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Technologizing Digital Foreigners
Replies: 9
Views: 3176

Re: Technologizing Digital Foreigners

By the way, Will, how would you suggest they screw up the stuff on a computer? Whatever you think will help them learn their various abilities (for good and ill). Well, I didn't have a deliberate plan of destruction in mind, but a computer on which they could spend some time just trying things out ...
by annis
Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:18 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The Development of a Literary Tradition
Replies: 23
Views: 6307

Re: The Development of a Literary Tradition

My point is that literature for literature's sake existed in Greece and Rome, but by and large that did not seem to be the case in Arabic with the Qu'ran's influence, Sanskrit with the Vedas, and Hebrew with the Old Testament. On the contrary, there is an extensive secular literature in both Arabic...
by annis
Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Validity of expression.
Replies: 3
Views: 2055

Re: Validity of expression.

Is the following a valid phrase grammatically/syntactically - kalos kagathos t'anax? Would ancient Greek usually arrange the words differently to express the same notion? What are you trying to say and what is the context? I have two problems with this phrase. First, καλὸς κἀγαθός is a classical ph...
by annis
Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Scansion Question
Replies: 4
Views: 1756

Re: Scansion Question

wow. I knew resolution to uu- was fairly common, but I didn't know uuu occurred in tragedy at least. From West's abridged Greek metre book — In the early iambus and in Aeschylus and Sophocles resolution is employed sparingly, not more than once in ten lines on average. In Euripides, after the Hippo...
by annis
Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Scansion Question
Replies: 4
Views: 1756

Re: Scansion Question

vir litterarum wrote:least. Are you saying the first syllable of Apollwn is long then?
Nope, it's short. Single bar for metron boundary, double bar for caesura:

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u u u  u -| - ||-  u   -|  - -   u -
ἱκανὸς Ἀπόλλων, ᾧ τάδ᾽ ἐκπρᾶξαι μέλει.
In this line the first iambic metron (x-u-) is realized as uuuu-.
by annis
Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question concerning translation.
Replies: 1
Views: 938

Re: Question concerning translation.

In English "in possession of" sounds a bit legalistic, but the sense is correct.
by annis
Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Scansion Question
Replies: 4
Views: 1756

Re: Scansion Question

Resolution of x- to uuu is permitted, especially in a single word. It's more common in the first two metra than in the last, where it is only in the first foot, and that not very often.